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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34876: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:25:04 PM

They could go with 'revive all the good people killed in the last year's but they hadn't come up with that wording until the Boo arc.

Also, they didn't even know that Shenron could do mass revivals until their first attempt

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#34877: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:26:09 PM

That one would not have revived Vegeta.

...which might actually be for the best in the long run. So yeah, stamp of approval.

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#34878: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:29:49 PM

That would probably have resurrected Nappa, the Ginyus, Dodoria, and Zarbon in addition to all the others. Every last one of these people were killed by "The Saiyans".

You can just add "Except those who worked for Freeza or a Saiyan at the time of death" to the wish.

EDIT: Or the good aligned clause too.

Point is "They couldn't resurrect the city" is a moot point when there's no limit to how complex you can word a specific wish. So long as it's a single wish.

Of course the real reason is Toriyama probably didn't even remember Nappa had existed by that point, let alone that he had killed a whole city, so that point is ultimately moot. Or you can argue Popo, Kami and King Kai didn't think of it, which, isn't impossible either if you jones for a Watsonian reason.

Point being, the only reason is "No one bothered to ressurect them" not "The mechanics of the dragonball and circumstances didn't allow for that"

Edited by Ghilz on Mar 27th 2019 at 8:31:06 AM

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#34879: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:42:47 PM

Did the people in the city King Piccolo destroy come back? I know Goku went to get back the Dragon Balls so that Krillin, Roshi, and Chiaotzu wouldn't be suffering for eternity as wandering spirits, but I don't remember if the actual wording of the wish included everyone killed by King Piccolo and his minions.

Actually, nevermind, I answered my own question by realizing that we see Giran, Nam, and King Chappa later on, so the wish must have included everyone.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#34880: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:46:51 PM

Actually, what happened to Kami's predecessor? Did he die of old age? That would make two.

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#34881: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:48:33 PM

I like to imagine that Kami's predecessor looked exactly like the Christian God (or like the Dr. Slump version of God, whose design was later taken for Roshi).

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34882: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:48:36 PM

which might actually be for the best in the long run. So yeah, stamp of approval.

I mean, that results in no Trunks, so the Androids just kill everyone.

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#34883: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:50:40 PM

Trunks might still happen with Yamcha, he just wouldn't be a Saiyan. Or, without having to train and protect someone, Future Gohan ends up surviving and he goes back in the time machine.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#34884: Mar 27th 2019 at 5:50:57 PM

[up][up][up] So, the Grand Kai?

Edited by WillKeaton on Mar 27th 2019 at 6:51:06 AM

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#34885: Mar 27th 2019 at 6:08:25 PM

Mass-revivals have a one-year time limit. After a year's passed, you have to content yourself with singleton resurrections.

Actually, if I am not mistaken that is not a hard and fast rule. It was only mentioned when talking about resurrecting everyone Freeza and his men had killed, and it was specifically because of the sheer number. We don't know what the number limit is, but if the wish was more restrictive (say, "every Earthling Nappa has killed", it is not impossible that these people could have been brought back.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34886: Mar 27th 2019 at 6:31:04 PM

Yeah but there were just over 100 people on Namek

Guru repopulated the entire planet after the drought

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#34887: Mar 27th 2019 at 7:01:08 PM

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#34888: Mar 28th 2019 at 1:51:56 AM

[up][up]I am pretty sure Freeza and his men killed a lot more people outside Namek. The wish didn't restrict itself to the planet.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34889: Mar 28th 2019 at 2:06:01 AM

Yes it did. Popo specifically asks for them (though weirdly he says 'a planet far away' rather than Namek).

The other characters specifically talk about Namek, and Popo's wish doesn't make sense to include multiple planets within it.

And after granting the wish Shenron says he revived those on Planet Namek.

God also specifies that if the wish was made to revive all of Vegeta and Nappa's victims, it'd be limited to one year.

Edited by Saiga on Mar 28th 2019 at 7:11:17 PM

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#34890: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:07:35 AM

Bulma could just go back in time herself, guys. She doesn't need Yamtrunks or Gohan to do it.

Bulma goes back in time, she gives Goku the heart medicine herself after he defeats Mecha-Frieza the way he did in the original timeline. Then he doesn't take it, his illness acts up during the android fight, and Android 19 kills everybody. The end.

...

Okay, so maybe I need to work on my definition of things working out in the long run.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#34891: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:44:58 AM

Was it really necessary that he/she go back to the future anyway? She could have stayed and made sure that Goku took the medication.

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#34892: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:49:16 AM

Good point. I mean, his reasons for not taking it (the symptoms never came up, and he was told not to take it until then) weren't too bad, but this is Goku we're talking about. You'd think Bulma would want to be sure.

Plus, his symptoms never coming up were something they never anticipated, so sticking around to observe things would be a good idea.

Then again, Bulma coming back herself would damage the timeline even more than Trunks did, and either of them staying would just add to that.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34893: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:49:59 AM

Goku shouldn't take the medication until he actually has symptoms of the disease. You do not frivolously take medication like that.

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#34894: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:50:42 AM

Also, wouldn't Piccolo have been able to handle 19? He was doing just fine against 20.

Also, Piccolo's existence also shuts down any downside to reviving Frieza's goons. The only Frieza goon who's anything resembling a threat is Ginyu himself (thanks to CHANGE NOW), and he's still a frog. Everyone else would be absolutely schooled by Piccolo.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 28th 2019 at 10:57:27 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34895: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:53:08 AM

19 had been absorbing energy from Goku and the much stronger Vegeta wouldn't have been able to handle both 19 and 20.

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#34896: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:54:32 AM

[up][up][up] DBZ uses the multiverse theory of time travel, so you can't damage the timeline, unless you're Zamasu with the time ring's ignore time paradox thing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34897: Mar 28th 2019 at 7:59:11 AM

<shrug> Toss up. Piccolo was able to take Gero easy after Gero had already drained him almost dry. Likewise, Vegeta was able to take 19 after 19 was already hopped up on (weakened) Super Saiyan energy. I don't think Toriyama put a particularly large amount of thought into how much of a buff energy absorption gave either of them.

Likely because at that point in the writing the two were supposed to be defined by the fact that the heroes could beat them regardless of the threat the posed (though that's more of a Doylist answer).

Also, presuming that 19 and 20 existed in Trunks' timeline, and he just didn't know about it due to being like a year old at the time, Bulma could have warned them about the energy absorption and such.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 28th 2019 at 8:03:19 AM

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#34898: Mar 28th 2019 at 8:01:20 AM

Actually, why didn't they just hunt down the cyborgs/androids/whatever before they went on a rampage?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34899: Mar 28th 2019 at 8:01:58 AM

Vegeta was vehemently against it. Goku was also very against it, but was nicer about it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34900: Mar 28th 2019 at 8:09:16 AM

[up][up][up] Gero didn't drain Piccolo almost dry. According to Piccolo he took a negligible amount of Piccolo's energy, because Piccolo had his power suppressed.


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