Yeah but that's just a standard Values Dissonance because japan doesn't see nazism the way we do and has a real problem dealing with THEIR responsibility in WW 2 generally speaking.
But yeah calling shit on toyotaro because he doesn't write weekly is a pretty huge dick move. Life of a mangaka is apparently a living hell with 120-hours weeks of work they only put up with because they were raised being told this was the norm. Blaming someone for not killing themselves at work is eeeeeeeeeeh.
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"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."@Isayama: Said "war criminal" wasn't even around for WW 2 or the Nanjing Massacre. It's my understanding that Isayama is at best indifferent to Nazi imagery and has a very standard take on Imperial Japan (which, while unfortunate, seems to be a typical reaction).
Wishing a breakdown on a man based on second-hand hearsay is just unsporting though.
And to go back to Dragonball, I am wondering if there are any fights that could make the top 2 that aren't main candidates like Goku v. Vegeta (Saiyan Arc).
I believe the war criminal accusations stem from Japan's conquest of Korea, so it would have been before that.
I think their breakdowns have been pretty good, they do a good job of breaking down all of the beats of a fight and why they like it. Their meta-jokes are a little tiresome, though. Occasional winking at the camera can be great, but I don't think it should be every episode. Meta-jokes kind of rely on suprise factor, and they're less impactful when you expect them.
Given that THIS of all Dragon Ball topics is about as subjective as all get out, I'm fine with how their analyses all stick to the rules they laid out for themselves, Number 12 excluded. Given how hard it naturally became to show how powerful most of these characters are while retaining a semblance of choreography, I don't blame them for picking the fights they have based on the animes and whatever flourishes of padding they added.
That being said, I'd like to see a similar list but limited to the manga's presentation of the fights.
I wish they would focus more on stuff I personally care about (narrative, progression, not-animation, etc) but otherwise it is good given the format. They do talk about a variety of stuff and mention the flaws when applicable. A full analyses of most of these fights would need more than 5 or so minutes and would work better without banter between different people, but that is not the real purpose of the show.
I've been watching some lazy top ten videos lately, so I am very strongly appreciating that the D Bcember videos provide good support for their choices and placement. In particular, they are highlighting some of the downfalls of the fights they choose, which gives a sense that they are considering what truly matters to them in their decisions.
A top 10 or 12 of the fights in the series with the lowest of low stakes.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Spectacle vs low key action reminds me of how Darth Maul's two most famous fights from The Clone Wars/Rebels were each on the opposite end.
In The Clone Wars his tag-team fight with his brother Savage Oppress against Darth Sidious was an epic choreographed drawn-out battle going from multiple rooms, Savage being killed in an over the top manor in the middle of it and as a tragic moment especially being given enough time to say his final words to his brother, and Maul entering the last leg of fight duel-wielding the darksaber only to get his ass kicked and tortured magnificently by Sidious.
In Rebels his final battle with Obi-Wan literally lasted like 3 and had just as many moves. A lot of emphasis was placed on the build-up before the fight as the two sync each other up and Maul's own desperation, and the fight was framed in the vein of old-school samurai fights where the battles are dealt with in only a few moves. For added symbolism Obi-Wan finished Maul off the same way he did the first time all those years ago. It then ends with Obi-Wan holding Maul's dying body in his arms as he comforts the man in his final moments.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I don't think the team is familiar enough with the manga for that, but it'd be a fun thing to think about.
I'd be tempted to do that myself (in text) just to see what my own opinion is.
Edited by Saiga on Dec 23rd 2018 at 3:20:51 AM
Thematic or no, the 17 and Freeza banter in the Anime version is kinda fantastic and elevates it beyond spectacle to a pretty nice character beat.
...And, whatever flaws Jiren has, in either version (...and, I do end up liking the manga version better, but also think it's not Toei's fault for once because Toriyama screwed them, hard,) the way he says "Son Goku, once again you stand before me," and his lil' smirk when his barrier shatters and the final fight begins are both fantastic.
Gonna have to disagree about the Jiren fight. I definitely wouldn't put it in my top 3, but the fight itself really does pick up once Vegeta is gone. Yes, Jiren is a brick of a character, but seeing Goku, Freeza, and 17 playing off each other trying to beat him was legitimately great since it's such a rare dynamic than Goku & Vegeta for the upteenth time.
And it's one of the rare times a fight in Super has choreography, go figure. I'll rag on Super like everyone else, but that's something I legit enjoyed and still enjoy on a rewatch despite everything leading up to it :V
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.It's absolutely Toei's fault. Toriyama didn't screw them. Even though they didn't receive Jiren's personality originally, they were given it at the same time Toriyama told them not to use the personality they originally invented - the one that they gave to Toppo.
Toppo started showing his personality in episode 81. That means they must have been directed by Toriyama at this point, before Jiren even appeared on-screen. That's 16 episodes before the TOP starts, and Jiren is only shown meditating prior to that. He briefly appears in episode 100 to knock out Kale, then fights with Goku from episodes 109-110. That's twenty-eight episodes between Toppo debuting with Jiren's original personality and Jiren having a major role. And after beating hit in 111, there's another 11 episodes until he enters the foreground again to fight Vegeta.
They had a ridiculous amount of time to be prepared, it's entirely on them for not being able to come up with anything or work in the details provided by Toriyama earlier. Given that this was their main antagonist for a 55 episode story arc, they sure as hell could have dedicated more focus to fleshing him out.
If we'd found out that Toriyama didn't give them any details until much later in the arc and told them not to come up with anything, that would be screwing them. But he gave it too them so early.
Edited by Saiga on Dec 23rd 2018 at 5:24:44 AM

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