Yeah. but he was actually doing it in the anime (via crazy infinite wallpaper bullshit).
In the manga, he just had a plan for how to do it, but was still not actually at the point of being able to do so (more due to not getting a chance than any lack of commitment).
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He loves his characters being jerks, or if not jerks then not overtly heroic, even if they are nice.
I mean, the current manner of writing Goku comes entirely from him not liking them trying to make the guy a superhero...as he fricking rips off Superman's origin story even harder than before via Minus.
One Strip! One Strip!In both versions, everyone else on Earth is already dead, and in both versions, Zamasu has a way to access other timelines. In the anime, it's because he's bleeding through reality, in the manga, it's because he has the U12 time machine which he never mentioned up until this point.
I prefer the anime version because it makes Goku's naivete in suggesting the Tournament of Power a bit more believable, and it escalates the severity of Goku's decision from the previous arc better. Zeno destroying Trunks' timeline is supposed to be dark foreshadowing for the Tournament of Power's absurdly high stakes.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 21st 2018 at 6:09:58 AM
Speaking of Superman, Jiren's actually kinda interesting as a deconstruction not of Superman, but of how fans perceive Superman. There's a joke about Superman that he makes the whole f*cking Justice League superfluous. It's that awkward moment when you realize that none of these people f*cking matter because Superman's so powerful he can do anything they can and more.
"Oh, the Flash. All he does is run fast. Superman's just as fast AND SO MUCH MORE. Green Lantern? Get bent, Superman can fly rings around your stupid ass. Batman? A goddamn mortal man? He couldn't hold a candle to Superman's invincible power. Superman just hangs out with these guys out of pity."
And it's a totally unfair read of Superman. But that is Jiren. That is absolutely Jiren. Jiren's problem is that he's the Superman that buys into his own hype and legit does feel like he totally doesn't need this league of weaker characters holding him back.
Jiren is a Superman on a journey to arrive at the place that actual Superman's great for already being in: a place where he acknowledges and respects the contributions of his peers, even if they can't necessarily do everything he can.
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Well to be fair, Superman DOES make the othe rsuperflous because the writers kept make him one of the most powerfull guys EVER.
I mean people complain about the bat god but superman resist a nova, outrun a black hole, can hear things outside of space, and fandom just said "this canon, superman is intersting if he can do whatever he wants".
I mean is hard not to see him a god when superman just given al the crap he can do.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I've always been of the opinion that Superman's power should never exceed that of the sun that powers him, so solar-system level at absolute maximum. I love Superman as a character, and the whole "nah, he's totally supposed to not have any limits whatsoever" debate just makes me mad. I feel like it misses the point of who Superman is and misinterprets who the character is supposed to be.
By the way, here's a thought I've had for a LOOOONG time, but I've never remembered to bring it up before: since the Super-Friends canonically exist in DBZA, should Aquaman summoning a tidal wave be what defeats Bio-Broly? It's not like they haven't done crazy crackfic endings for the movies before, and no-one really cares about the ending of Bio-Broly.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 21st 2018 at 7:05:24 AM
Flash is more powerful than Superman anyway.
He can just vibrate your molecules & infinite mass punch you.
Plus Green Lantern should really be as strong or stronger than Supes but you’d never know it because they KEEP WORFING HIM!
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Eh Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Flash, Green Lantern are all hella strong & each are capable of shit Supes is unable to do. Supes is primarily the inspiration & beacon of hope.
I’m not gonna hold it against Supes just because of incompetent writers.
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 21st 2018 at 6:13:53 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Flash is a jobber. No matter how much hype he ultimately gets, and what his capabilities supposedly are, at the end of the day he'll still have trouble with a guy with boomerangs or a guy who got killed by a pistol-wielding Batman, while Superman will be the only one who can stop Brainiac/Darkseid/whoever the latest Big Bad is.
Suffice to say there's a reason that every show, comic, or game featuring him has him jobbing something fierce. His most recent big appearances are the Justice League movie (where knocks himself out by tripping), Injustice 2 (where he jobs to Deadshot), and the CW show (where he jobs to.. everything
and
everyone
).
Edited by Kamiccolo on Dec 21st 2018 at 7:55:04 AM
And Batman gets his ass regularly beaten by crazy people despite being one of the best martial artists on the planet and Green Lantern’s constructs are fragile like glass despite having unshakable willpower.
What’s your point?
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 21st 2018 at 8:02:01 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."There is no pretense to his power - any look at his most impressive feats should make that clear. The problem comes when he loses fights that he should logically win, which one could argue might necessitate a general power decrease if writers want to keep using the Rogues, or at least a more established justification for not curb-stomping them all the time.
Oh God! Natural light!It kind of sounds like these characters in general weren't created with what all they're supposed to be able to do in mind (what with having how many different writers over the years?) but they still have a ton of "archenemies" built in who still have to challenge them even when it makes no sense.
Or at least, that sounds like one problem.
I will said that super heroes, specially one with DC suffer a no limits fallacy, Superman can do pretty much everythings and so heroes really get mad whatever super get limited somehow, the same with Flash, Bat and the rest, I mean i would surprise you but thw DCCU actually have clear limits of waht he can do, which is nice in general.
with dragon ball(to return the same issue), is that as power scaling goes up, very chararter can catch up, is becoming a worrying trend.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
Well these characters were created at a time when logic and reasoning weren't big things to worry about in comics.
Its the Grandfather Clause, its the same reason why Batman still has Robin today despite Robin being an example of child endangerment and traumatizing children and even death and violent insanity in Jason's case.
Though why these characters are kept, similar reasoning as to why the humans here stay around. Their lovable oafs you keep want to keep on seeing.
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 21st 2018 at 8:16:29 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Or at least, that sounds like one problem
Edited by Kamiccolo on Dec 21st 2018 at 8:40:29 AM
That's not what I said. I said "his most impressive feats" because I figured that those were the best demonstrations of how powerful he was, as a counter to your claim that he isn't really that strong. Even then, there are plenty of more mid-tier feats that ought to show why he's considered one of DC's big guns.
Oh God! Natural light!But that's a topic for another day.

I'm pretty sure Zamasu was threatening to extend his destruction to the present timeline in both the anime and the manga.