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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#33626: Nov 14th 2018 at 9:17:04 AM

The movie pamphlets are almost definitely the least reliable sources.

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#33627: Nov 14th 2018 at 11:07:56 AM

Really, if any information came directly from Toei, you should probably not take it at all. They've transcended past pesky mortal concepts like "continuity" and "logic."

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#33628: Nov 14th 2018 at 12:44:50 PM

No, they don't. Goku needs to use the Kaioken to beat each of the three henchmen, not one of whom has a battle power of over 8,000?
Yes, they do. The fat yellow guy was basically Buyon or Botamo: only hard to kill because he was fleshy and rubbery. He couldn't do anything to Goku even after catching him off guard and Goku only used Kaio-Ken to power through his weird body. The green and yellow guys were unable to immediately overwhelm base Goku (8,000), and only got the advantage by going 2-1, which is perfectly plausible when they have nearly equal power to him. Not to mention their unique abilities.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Nov 14th 2018 at 12:45:01 PM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#33629: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:04:12 PM

Doesn't explain Goku vs Wheelo then

Tullece was called Goku's brother in another movie pamhlet. They're horrible sources.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#33630: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:22:15 PM

Never trust promotional material. Especially if it was made in the 90's.

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#33631: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:35:47 PM

Usually you'd want sources closer to the time of release.

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#33632: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:13:51 AM

Doesn't explain Goku vs Wheelo then
There's nothing to explain, Uiro didn't go full power until after Goku had finished with his Kaio-Kens. That was stated in the movie.

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#33633: Nov 15th 2018 at 7:31:36 AM

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#33634: Nov 15th 2018 at 7:32:13 AM

Dude, when he screamed that, you could feel it. Full props to Lani for his delivery.

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#33635: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:00:59 AM

Makes you wonder how would they do the "My Bulma!" moment if they could abridged Battle of Gods.

For now, this is the closest we might get

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#33636: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:11:59 AM

IIRC, the original idea was that they wouldn't abridge Super since it's new stuff that Funimation is dubbing and monetizing themselves. In return, they get to keep doing this without being harassed by Dragon Ball's IP-holders.

But Toei wasn't a part of that deal and thoroughly despises Team Four Star, regularly taking advantage of YouTube's Content ID system to monetize their videos and sometimes issuing Copyright Strikes against them to try to kill their channel.

So. Y'know. YMMV on whether or not that deal's still a thing.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 15th 2018 at 9:12:40 AM

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#33637: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:13:20 AM

I honestly don't know why Toei hates DBZA so much. Do we know if Toriyama has any feelings towards it?

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#33638: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:18:05 AM

Can I just say how weird it is that the American Team, over here in the Land of "F*CK YOU MY COPYRIGHT IS GOD!!! EAT MY CEASE-AND-DESIST ORDER!!!" are totally chill with TFS?

Meanwhile, the crew from Japan, where every piece of media has a million unofficial doujins for sale (half of them pornographic) are the ones who constantly throw a shit-fit over TFS daring to exist?

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#33639: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:18:32 AM

[up][up]I doubt he knows it exists.

Edited by Moth13 on Nov 15th 2018 at 11:18:40 AM

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#33640: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:23:05 AM

Well that's because Japan is Dragon ball's home country and they feel like the ambirdged series is mean spirited piss take,while America has no problem with it because it's not something they made and they get a laugh out of it

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Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 15th 2018 at 8:23:23 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#33641: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:28:15 AM

[up] If that's true re: Japan then I think they're missing the point. To me, DBZA is one of those parodies that is effective precisely because the creators know and love the material so much. I don't think they'd be half as good of they really were being mean spirited.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2018 at 9:28:36 AM

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#33642: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:34:47 AM

I do feel bad for the team. Like. They made this series as a labor of love for a material they admire.

And now, while putting in the hours to produce said series, they also have to constantly wrestle with the anime's creator trying to strangle the life out of their project.

That awkward moment where the people who inspired you hate you and want you to f*ck right off a cliff.

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#33643: Nov 15th 2018 at 11:14:45 AM

I'm reminded of how Anime fansub community used to draw this big moral line in the sand about not profiting from the shows, and, as that scene developed, the game of whack-a-mole the copyright holders started playing against them.

When Crunchyroll first appeared, they ruffled a lot of feathers in the fansub community by breaking the 'thou-shall-not-profit' commandment, but breaking the rule was, ironically, exactly why the copyright holders allowed Crunchyroll to continue; once there's actual money involved, it made more sense for them to just ask for a cut rather than try to stamp it out.

So I wonder if they could get Toei off their back just by putting DBZA behind a paywall.

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#33644: Nov 15th 2018 at 11:19:44 AM

With TFS, Toei does both. They try to find ways to kill TFS's channel whenever they're not too busy putting ads on all of TFS's videos to rake in advertising revenue from the team's fans at a 100% cut.

Their position is effectively, "I hate you and want you gone forever. But as long as you're here, I might as well get paid for all of your hard work."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 15th 2018 at 12:20:35 PM

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#33645: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:16:00 PM

I think the US holders to the rights realizes that TFS does way, way, way, way more good than harm to the property.

Seriously, TFS has done so much to keep DBZ relevant in the... what, 15 or so years when there was no new DB media coming out?

I, for one, wouldn't have given a shit about Super or the new movies if DBZA hadn't been keeping me invested in the property.

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#33646: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:24:00 PM

That being said it also makes harm by warping people's interpretation of how those characters actually are like

Example:Goku

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#33647: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:25:53 PM

I think the reason they dislike TFS more then they do the people who make Doujinshi, is that the people who make the Doujinshi have to draw it themselves, while TFS is mainly just editing the animes footage. So from their Point of view, at least the people making the Doujinshi are at least creating something new, just with existing characters, while TFS is just reusing the stuff they made. I don't agree with that view, but I think that is how they see it.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#33648: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:29:00 PM

That being said it also makes harm by warping people's interpretation of how those characters actually are like

Example:Goku

I'd say Super is doing more on that front.

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#33649: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:30:14 PM

DBZA definitely made the "Piccolo is Gohan's true dad" meme a lot more unbearable.

The canadian subtitles for example, like to milk the hell out of that joke.

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#33650: Nov 15th 2018 at 1:01:28 PM

That people actually believe that is less on TFS and just really dumb.

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