Dragon Ball Z Abridged

Speaking of Super, do you think Episode 60's is going to mention Black in some form?

When can we expect the chapter?

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??? Episode 60 has been out for like a month, dude.

I would assume they're talking about the "Trunks returns to the future" special.

Warning for everyone: Spoilers for the Broly movie are starting to come out. Tread carefully if you want to avoid being spoiled.

You post that here why? Most people here don't tale about Dragon Ball proper unless prompted by someone else from the general thread.

Edited by VeryMelon on Nov 11th 2018 at 11:29:56 AM

We've been taking about regular Dragon Ball pretty consistently, from what I've seen.

And also because im coming in here to spoil it ALL

Broly is confirmed to appear in the film

Raditz is Goku's brother

Bulma and Vegeta have a kid

Gohan becomes the strongest in the universe but doesn't do crap

All at once, pretty much.

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After seeing the trailer, I was all psyched for the action. When Broly stepped out of his ship, I was on the edge of my seat.

Totally wasn't prepared for that Saibaman to leap out of nowhere and blow him the f*ck up, abruptly ending the film. Well played, Toriyama. Well played.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 12th 2018 at 1:24:36 PM

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Turns out Nappa's vial had one last drop of Saibaman left. It fell out when Goku was fighting Nappa in the sky and fell into the Yamcha crater, taking root. Now, many years later, the Legendary Super Saibaman has come back for its revenge.

You know, it just occurred to me how much weaker the Bio-Men are compared to Saibamen. A Saibaman was as strong as Raditz. Who was worlds stronger than Goku, who had left Roshi in the dust at that point.

Yet Roshi could handle... 3? 4? Bio-Men at the same time.

Like, in my mind I thought Bio-Men were stronger because, well, they came later. But no, they must be WAY weaker. Like, I don't even think that self-destruct in TWSA would've taken out Yamcha.

Edited by Larkmarn on Nov 12th 2018 at 4:35:18 AM

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It didn't.

Yamcha was badly hurt, but still alive.

Whether it's because he was stronger than when it happened with the Saibamen, because of what you suggested, or a combination of both is hard to tell.

Though also it's a movie, so Power Levels are a little wonky anyway.

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I mean, not just alive but just basically unaffected.

Yamcha's power level was, assuming no powering up since the Saiyan saga, 1,300.

Roshi's was 148. Assuming the Biomen are exactly the same as Roshi (which given how effortlessly they were trounced, is very generous), Yamcha's got ten times their power level.

Chaotsu vs. Nappa was 610 vs. 4000. Roughly 6.5 times. And he's basically unscratched.

... yes I'm over thinking this. But I'm just... Saiyan.

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Yamcha during the Saiyan Saga was at 1,480. And since we're being nitpicky, the Saibamen weren't as strong as Raditz, he was 1,500 to their 1,200.

Again, nitpicks, but since it was brought up...

I thought he was 1400 or something?

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Raditz's Power Level is either 1,200 (even with the Saibaman), 1,500 (stated by a couple of outside sources), or 1,600 (stated by a Super Broly promo card).

It has to be 1200.

I'm near positive the Special Beam Cannon shot that killed him was 1440 (or 1480).

Anyway, while Gohan's attack greatly weakened him, it still would have taken an attack higher than his power level. High enough for him to freak out about it before he died.

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The Saibaimen 'rivaled' Raditz in power at 1200. That would suggest they weren't exactly equal.

Furthermore, Gohan at 1,307 was said by Raditz only to stronger than Goku. You'd think it'd come up if he was stronger than Raditz at that time.

We've seen weaker characters/attacks injure stronger characters before. A 1,480 attack piercing a 1,500 person who was already injured isn't outlandish.

Edited by Saiga on Nov 13th 2018 at 3:21:01 AM

Also, there tends to be three "tiers" of damage. Blunt force damage, cutting damage, and piercing damage. The Kamehameha is a blunt force attack, with it's power spread out over a wide area (though this can vary based on how large the Kamehameha is). The Kienzan is a cutting attack, where all of the power is focused into a line, which allows it to hit above its weight class. The Makankosappo is a piercing attack, with all of its power focused into a small point, which should logically make it hit even harder above its weight class than the Kienzan.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 12th 2018 at 10:26:24 AM

I think Roshi was just amped in that movie, as shown by his later fights. The Bio-Men were ganging up on and punking Gohan, who given that this movie is set around the timeline of the Vegeta battle, should be around 1,000 even without his rage.

For what it's worth, a promotional pamphlet given at the premier of movie 3 states the following power levels for Uiro and his henchmen:

• Dr. Uiro: 39,000

• Dr. Kochin: 8

• Misokattsun (fat yellow guy): 4,300

• Ebifuriya (buff pink guy): 7,500

• Kichime (green guy): 7,000

• Biomen: 1,000

Edited by Kamiccolo on Nov 13th 2018 at 11:53:05 AM

Yeah, but the battle powers given for the manga characters in that pamphlet really don't line up with the series' battle powers. The DB portion is super inflated.

Yeah but the movie levels themselves work fine.

No, they don't. Goku needs to use the Kaioken to beat each of the three henchmen, not one of whom has a battle power of over 8,000?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that pamphlet also state that Goku's base Power Level in the film is 10,000?

That would make his need to use the Kaioken even dumber.

So I wouldn't be surprised. Toei's gonna Toei. I'm sure they just had somebody write up those numbers to look cool and ride that battle power bandwagon without any regard for whether it actually fit the series or even the film itself.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 14th 2018 at 6:47:14 AM

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