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#32951: Oct 3rd 2018 at 6:45:20 AM

Before Dragon Ball Abridged came along, I mostly just heard Dragon Ball's name thrown around as a joke. "LOL POWER LEVELS" was its legacy.

"MY POWER IS BIGGER THAN YOUR POWER". "Sure is Dragon Ball in here all of a sudden."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:48:15 AM

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#32952: Oct 3rd 2018 at 6:48:26 AM

Yeah, there was a definite time there where Dragon Ball was victim to "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny and was seen as the Old and Busted Shonen having to make way for the New Hotness.

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#32953: Oct 3rd 2018 at 6:51:17 AM

It's not like people still make fun of the ridiculous power scaling anymore. That has always been a meme.

But Dragon Ball is not that big of a Snark Bait nowadays. Or maybe it is, who knows.

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#32954: Oct 3rd 2018 at 6:59:51 AM

Seriously, I could have sworn I heard that Funimation had pretty much completely secured the Western rights to Dragon Ball in its entirety, to manage its presentation and fanbase/community however they pleased.

So I'm surprised that Toei leaning on or pressuring Funimation is even a thing they can do without some big lawsuit blowup thing.

Like, I can get Funimation not wanting to rock the boat, lawsuits are expensive.

Equally, I've heard that before Super, Toei's been having some tough times, and part of that is why some of Super's animation has been so rough.

...I like it when big companies fight to the death.

I know intellectually the people at the top will get away with everything and not lose a cent, while the people at the bottom of the chain suffer, but like. After the company itself dies, that's still one less source of revenue for those people at the top.

And legally, corporations are people, and I'm pretty sure Toei is a shit person. Go to jail Toei, and do not pass go.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 3rd 2018 at 10:03:08 AM

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#32955: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:03:14 AM

It goes further than just taking inspiration, I'm almost positive that Toei intentionally timed the anilaza fight to air right after TFS released the hatchiyak abridged movie. And I wouldn't be surprised if the decisions to bring back trunks and 17 were influenced by TFS being on the Android saga, too. I feel like half of Toei hates the abridged series, but there are just enough fans in their ranks for them to not completely shut it down. From what I've heard there was a brief attempt to make a Japanese dub of DBZA that stopped some point during the first season(likely for the same reasons certain official Japanse dubs stop part way into a series: The fans just watch the English dub anyway.). So it definitely has or had a fanbase there.

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#32956: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:06:09 AM

Oooooooooh, so i wasn't the only one that thought Anilaza was a Kaiju version of Hatchiyak!

Or Super Duper Santa

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#32957: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:07:43 AM

I heard some stock or financial analysis. Thingy. On an anime forum, which was weird. That Toei was maybe at risk of going under financially if not for Super.

Also, I heard from. Someone else. That Dragon Ball Evolution killed the value of the Dragon Ball brand. Pretty much globally.

It's taken a little while to build it back up from there.

...Don't ask why I'm getting financial advice from anime forums, ask instead why weebs are giving financial advice unprompted. Instead of getting shoved into lockers where they belong.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 3rd 2018 at 10:08:17 AM

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#32958: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:13:05 AM

Toei didn't bring back Trunks and 17. That was Toriyama's decision, and for as much as Toei clearly cares about TFS, I'm not convinced Toriyama does.

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#32959: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:15:19 AM

He clearly enjoys making Trunks suffer tongue

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#32960: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:18:25 AM

I think, ironically, Toriyama stopped caring about Dragon Ball entirely right up until Dragon Ball Evolution.

Like, before the movie released, I heard he didnt even care about it or even try to provide input. He just let Hollywood and the brand managers do whatever they wanted. Very hands-off and disinterested.

Like, I dont think they would have let him provide input even if he wanted to, Hollywood is gonna Hollywood, but what I heard was that he didn't actually care enough to try.

After that movie, bits and pieces of Dragon Ball Online/Xenoverse, Battle of Gods, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman and Dragon Ball Super were born, because Spite.

Personally, I'm not sure he even cares about Dragon Ball itself per se, so much as his reputation. He doesnt want his life's work to end and go down in history with that big of an embarrassment as the last word.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 3rd 2018 at 10:18:45 AM

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#32961: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:33:13 AM

I mean, isn't it entirely possible that Toriyama watches DBZA to remind himself of things he could use in Super?

Great now I'm imagining Toei wanting to stop DBZA entirely, but knowing Toriyama enjoys watching it makes them hesitant to go all out.

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#32962: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:56:24 AM

That's not possible at all...

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#32963: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:58:32 AM

It's possible

But unlikely.

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#32964: Oct 3rd 2018 at 7:59:26 AM

[up][up][up] Possible but unlikely, I think, and even if it were so we'd never see it confirmed outside of rumor.

It's like how a show's writing team could never acknowledge if they read fanfiction.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 3rd 2018 at 8:58:48 AM

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#32965: Oct 3rd 2018 at 8:39:28 AM

It's like how a show's writing team could never acknowledge if they read fanfiction.
You reminded me that Rooster Teeth's CRWBY publicly admitted at a fan convention that their members make a point of avoiding any RWBY fan fiction like the plague, precisely to avert the possibility of unintentionally plagiarizing fan fiction material later on (as in, someone comes up with an idea that they believe is original, but in actuality had been a subconsciously registered memory of a fanfic they've read several months ago that they've forgotten about).

Edited by MarqFJA on Oct 3rd 2018 at 6:40:03 PM

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#32966: Oct 3rd 2018 at 8:41:34 AM

Given the shaky relationship fanfiction has with copyright law and fair use to begin with, I'm surprised plagiarism concerns are even a thing.

Plenty of companies have tried to get fanfiction and the like removed entirely, and sometimes been successful, if they wanted to sell it on their own and not give the original author a cent I dont know what would stop them in the current corporate and copyright world.

I keep expecting to wake up and find out that Disney or Amazon or somebody bought the entire planet Earth or some shit.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 3rd 2018 at 11:49:02 AM

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#32967: Oct 3rd 2018 at 8:48:21 AM

See, that unintentional plagiarizing fanfic thing isn't just CRWBY's stance. It's industry standard. Thanks to an incident involving Tiny Toons Adventures and a fan letter they read that basically had the exact same idea they had about one episode that was in production, creators typically avoid fan works like the plague, unless they're just so everywhere that they can't be avoided (MLP).

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#32968: Oct 3rd 2018 at 8:49:55 AM

I don't know about Toei, but I am like 99% sure Disney could get away with literally anything.

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#32969: Oct 3rd 2018 at 8:53:15 AM

I wonder, now that Krillin's Owned Count is no more, could there be a Vegeta Owned Count?

Because i have seen Vegeta get owned more times that i've seen Krillin

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#32970: Oct 3rd 2018 at 9:03:38 AM

See, that unintentional plagiarizing fanfic thing isn't just CRWBY's stance. It's industry standard. Thanks to an incident involving Tiny Toons Adventures and a fan letter they read that basically had the exact same idea they had about one episode that was in production, creators typically avoid fan works like the plague, unless they're just so everywhere that they can't be avoided (MLP).

This story gets kicked around a lot and it's wrong. That never happened.

The episode in question is called "Buster and Babs Go Hawaiian". It was a script that a trio of eighth-grade girls wrote and then mailed to Spielberg's studio. The studio fell in love with the script and flew the girls out to the studio so that they could take part in the episode's production.

They were paid industry rate for the episode and even make cameo appearances in it as its writers. They were also interviewed on various media outlets. It was a big deal. Here's an EW article about it.

Somehow, this story has warped over the past two years into "The studio was FORCED to pay these kids for an episode they had totally already come up with and put into production because they ACCIDENTALLY read a fanfic," but that is a complete misrepresentation of what happened.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 3rd 2018 at 10:04:33 AM

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#32971: Oct 3rd 2018 at 10:42:45 AM

I have heard of an example of a webcomic writer having problems with that: reading fan speculation and then being sued for plagarism: it was a long time ago hearing it (I don't remember what the comic was), but I do know that for Sluggy Freelance fans, it's explicitly why Pete Abrams has always kept a rigid separation in the comic's forums between a Reaction thread (which is has been known to read and respond to) and Speculation threads (which he avoids like the plague) and why the mods strictly edit any speculative comments out of the former.

Given the shaky relationship fanfiction has with copyright law and fair use to begin with, I'm surprised plagiarism concerns are even a thing.

You may be framing the story around something that already exists, but your original ideas are still your own, and since most fanfics are posted online those concepts are pretty much inherently timestamped.

If, say, I wrote a fanfic about the Justice League going up against an original character who was a sentient cabbage named Larry, and a DC writer explicitly read it and made a cabbage alien named Larry, would I have the right to challenge it? My fanfic may be based on DC's properties, but it doesn't belong to them, nor did I waive my right to anything original I put into it. And while Great Minds Think Alike is the general reason for it, but there's still liability there, so even if they do read fanworks nobody's ever going to admit it.

It's very similar to why companies as a standard make their own employees sign waivers for anything they create. If, in the 90's, an official composer for a video game could sue for the rights to the music the company contracted from them, then a fan putting original content into a fan story they made entirely on their own could probably build a case.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 3rd 2018 at 10:48:29 AM

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#32972: Oct 3rd 2018 at 11:09:24 AM

[up]x3

I suspect that instead of a Vegeta-owned count, we'll continued to see Vegeta used as a verb.

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#32973: Oct 3rd 2018 at 11:33:59 AM

Greg Weisman has a place where his fans can ask him questions, and he talks about an incident where he had an unpleasant encounter with a fan that he explains thusly:

A fan once came up to me at a signing and said something like: "You should put Prospero from Shakespeare's TEMPEST into Gargoyles." My response was, "I plan to." The fan then gave me a look like I was ripping off his idea without giving him any credit. (Forget the fact that he was about the eighteenth person to make that suggestion to me.)

So, this kind of thing happens and people are aware of it. There was no litigation in this incident, but who knows what could happen in the future?

Edited by WillKeaton on Oct 3rd 2018 at 6:45:08 AM

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#32974: Oct 3rd 2018 at 5:28:05 PM

[up][up] ... continue to see Vegeta used as a verb? When did that start happening?

Edited by MarqFJA on Oct 3rd 2018 at 3:30:28 PM

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#32975: Oct 3rd 2018 at 8:48:25 PM

@Unnoun abaout Toei going under if not for Super's Existance: Toei has their Tokusatsu division to fall back on for money.

And Pretty Cure, which is the highest grossing non manga based anime original series in Japan by raw merch alone.

Toei was fine, even back then.

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