19 and Gero/20's threat more or less being easily shut down by the simple act of tearing their hands off does prove Toriyama's editor who told him to make better villains right. They really couldn't have supported an entire arc by themselves in the way Freeza did. 16, 17 and 18 maybe could have but it's probably for the best that role ultimately did go to Cell.
Edited by Xeino on Sep 26th 2018 at 7:35:11 AM
Also, I'd bet good money that was originally Toriyama's plan to defeat either 19 or 20.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.I mean. If they had been the real villains of the arc, Vegeta probably wouldn't have been allowed to just rip 19's hands off. That's the narrative equivalent of going, "F*CK THIS we're doing something different."
Kinda like Majin Buu spontaneously developing the ability to absorb Gotenks so that Ultimate Gohan can stop mattering and the story can be about Goku and Vegeta again. I'm sure 19 and 20 would have been much more threatening if Toriyama never got cold feet about them carrying the arc.
Besides, the editor was put off by them being an old man and a clown, not by the energy absorption thing.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 26th 2018 at 1:22:50 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Seeing as how Gero and 19 were meant to be the main villains of the arc before Toriyama's former editor said they looked stupid, I wonder if that energy drain gimmick was going to get used more. 19 and 20 are presented from the beginning as very weak (a sick SS Goku who is a shadow of his normal self is smacking 19 around like nothing a couple chapters after they're introduced), so it's not like he retconned their strength and abilities after getting that feedback (or at least, not at that point; too early, the former editor was reading it in Jump like anyone else and Toriyama had to be at least a chapter ahead). I can't help but think that he intended for them to start out as weak, and then level them up when the heroes got overconfident and fell for that energy drain trap. Then, the duo would have slowly exterminated humanity, leaving Trunks and Gohan inexplicably alive. Then it would have been revealed that the duo took their time and left Trunks and Gohan alive on purpose so they could keep 'fighting' them and use them as batteries to level up more.
Kind of like Zamasu now that I think about it. Maybe he recycled his outline and the original climax of the arc was dealing with a timeline-jumping Future Gero fusing with his present counterpart.
Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 26th 2018 at 4:32:06 AM
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Yes.
Yeah, Bulma's mom is a pretty minor character in the manga.
I'm surprised Toei didn't give her a name and 26 episodes fleshing out her life, though.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I admit, I would totally watch a filler mini-arc about Bulma's mom's day if they went out of their way to have every character involved in the entire little mini-plot address her as "Bulma's Mom".
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 27th 2018 at 8:28:56 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.By the way, the stuff about Videl seeing Gohan's last name and matching it with Goku's got me curious, so I looked up how the dubs handled it. In the original dub Videl finds out Goku had a son named Gohan and connects it with her classmate, and in the Kai dub she sees a picture of Goku and notices Gohan looked very similar.
and notices Gohan looked very similar.
... what. Other than Toriyama's style Gohan's resemblance to Goku is... not a whole lot.
Hell, Gohan's resemblance to Young Gohan isn't a whole lot.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Toriyama's style accounts for 90% of their faces. It's like saying "If you don't look at them, they don't resemble one another". They have identical jaw shape, nose shape, eye shape, hair color, eyebrows.
Of course, so does Vegeta and 90% of Toriyama's character. but my point being that once you remove Toriyama's style, there aint much left to judge the two by. There is their hair. I guess?

My theory is that the Kamehameha's multiplier is decreased by the Kaioken's multiplier.
So, say that Vegeta's Galick Gun has the same multiplier as the Kamehameha. It could look something like this:
Vegeta: 18,000 x 2.22 = 39,960
KKx3 Goku: 24,300 x 1.5: 36,450
KKx4 Goku: 32,400 x 1.4: 45,360
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 26th 2018 at 7:16:09 AM