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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32751: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:40:07 PM

Nobody would believe him, they all remember the time he got crushed by Gohan's bare-naked 5-year-old ass.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32752: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:40:53 PM

Point is, being almost killed by Krillin is kind of pathetic. The only other 2 that know that besides Krillin himself are Gohan and Dende.

I bet among the core cast, there must be a fun talk about Vegeta and how they fucked him up in the past

[up][up][up] Probably. They did Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans so that special is probably happening as well.

I'm just eager to know about how they will handle the remaining Broly movies. The more stupid, the more funnier the abridged versions are.

Bio-Broly mostly. I want to see that abridged

Edited by fasoman1996 on Sep 25th 2018 at 11:45:10 AM

Uni cat
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32753: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:43:16 PM

I mean, only if you're actually ignoring the contexts of the situations.

lara16 Since: Mar, 2018
#32754: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:43:55 PM

It's really flimsy to say 18 was significantly weaker than 17 based on that reasoning. You have to, in tandem, make the assumptions that 1: she fought Vegeta with all her power and 2: Kamiccolo could effortlessly curbstomp the same Vegeta.

That got me thinking about Cell vs Kamiccolo. It was fairly even, but I remember Cell having the slight edge. I wonder if Cell would've been able to absorb 17 if he hadn't absorbed all those people to make himself stronger.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32755: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:45:15 PM

That merged Kami-Piccolo could wipe the floor with Vegeta is not a wild assumption.

And Cell vs. Piccolo round one really wasn't even at all. Android 16, who could sense the fight, determined that one of the two (Piccolo) was equal in strength to 17.

No, Cell would not have been able to beat the androids without absorbing all those people first, and he wouldn't have been able to beat Piccolo if they kept fighting.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 9:50:43 AM

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#32756: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:45:27 PM

[up][up] I don't think so. Either android would have been able to fight Cell off.

Not to mention 16.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Sep 25th 2018 at 11:45:00 AM

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32757: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:50:21 PM

I have to think Vegeta's Saiyan Saga outing was pretty pathetic.

He got his ass beat to near death by a group of warriors that all had lower power levels than his.

Including Yajirobe of all people.

Like, even the Spirit Bomb only pushed Freeza to 50%, and Super Saiyan Goku was flat out stronger than 100% Freeza.

Freeza was having a bad day then even before the Super Saiyan, what with losing Zarbon and Dodoria who were apparently and seemingly his favorite minions despite not being as powerful as the Ginyu Force (maybe they were really good at wine tasting or administrative work?) as well as the rest of his force on Namek and losing the chance to use the Dragon Balls. But if not for the Super Saiyan he still wouldn't have even had to exert himself all that much.

Losing to lower power levels is really really rare in Dragon Ball, and Vegeta is the only time I can think of where it happens.

lara16 Since: Mar, 2018
#32758: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:52:09 PM

[up][up][up] I could easily see it, but considering power levels are all over the place we have no idea how much trouble Vegeta could give him at that point. You could just as easily assume that, if Vegeta actually fought 18 somewhat evently and 17 and 18 are basically on the same level, Vegeta could put up a semi-decent fight against him.

Also I'm pretty sure the Cell vs Kamiccolo fight ended with Piccolo being forced to heal his arm before his backup showed up. Considering he got in that position, I don't think Piccolo had the advantage on his own.

Edited by lara16 on Sep 25th 2018 at 7:51:40 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32759: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:53:12 PM

I don't doubt Vegeta would rather not talk about that whole situation, but saying that Krillin almost stabbing him would be especially embarrassing or something makes very little sense to me.

Krillin isn't the one he developed an obsession to defeat, after all.

[up]Except power levels really aren't all over the place. You're confusing memes with how things actually went in the story (as people often do).

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 9:55:06 AM

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#32760: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:54:55 PM

There is also the fact that the spirit bomb used on Vegeta was only a small portion of the one Goku had originally planned to use before a large amount of the energy was lost.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#32761: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:56:17 PM

Android 16, who could sense the fight, determined that one of the two (Piccolo) was equal in strength to 17.

Pretty sure he specified 17 and 18 there.

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#32762: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:56:18 PM

Losing the beam struggle forever changed Vegeta into a jobber bitter man who wants nothing but to become a carro- i mean, beat Kakarot.

Speaking of embarrasment, a shame Vegeta rarely interacts with anyone that isn't Goku or his family, because conversations with the likes of 18 or Buu must be veeeeeeeeeery awkward.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32763: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:57:03 PM

[up][up]He did not.

Seriously, we know that 18 was weaker than 17. Gero thought there power was the reason 17 was harder to control, so he made her intentionally weaker to see if it would fix the control issues. It did not.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 10:03:41 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#32764: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:01:05 PM

I don't doubt Vegeta would rather not talk about that whole situation, but saying that Krillin almost stabbing him would be especially embarrassing or something makes very little sense to me.

Losing to a low class Saiyan warrior put such a huge chip on his shoulder, and Krillin is so much weaker than that, that I have to imagine Vegeta just blocked out that memory entirely.

[up]I just double checked. He did.

Edited by Moth13 on Sep 25th 2018 at 11:01:01 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32765: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:01:50 PM

[up]Double checked what?

Edit: Here's a source confirming 18 weaker.

I guess we can quibble about how much weaker, but I doubt Gero would have only altered her slightly if he thought the immense power was causing the control issue.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 10:03:30 AM

lara16 Since: Mar, 2018
#32766: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:03:09 PM

I wouldn't say Vegeta looked particularly pathetic in the Saiyan Saga. Really, the heroes had to throw everything they had at him. Goku flat out lost to him, Gohan went into ape supermode and Vegeta still managed to push through and reverse the transformation even though he wasn't an ape himself anymore, he got hit by the spirit bomb and survived it. (granted, a lot of villains do) He lost his tail to Yajirobe, but seeing as he had all the heroes beat already he understandably didn't expect this random dude showing up out of nowhere. And even when he was beaten, only Krillin was still in any condition to kill him and barely at that. His performance was pretty worthy of the arc's Big Bad.

@LSBK

There's a good reason it's a meme — because it's very often simply true.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#32767: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:04:28 PM

[up][up]Double checked the line where Android 16 senses that Piccolo's power rivals the two other Androids. I don't doubt that 18 had a lower battle power, but how it's presented in the story makes me feel it's not by a significant amount.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32768: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:04:42 PM

I mean, sure, the heroes gave it everything they had, but Vegeta outclassed them by so much that by all rights even that shouldnt have been enough.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32769: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:04:51 PM

[up][up][up]It very often simply isn't.

For whatever faults Dragon Ball may have had, lack of consistency of "who is stronger at the time" simply isn't one of them.

If you want to complain about how characters sometimes got stronger, I can see it, but that's a different issue.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 10:10:40 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#32770: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:05:55 PM

[up][up][up][up] Eh that implies it’s hard to understand when it’s really not.

It just gets higher with each arc & only the Saiyan’s can maintain any actual increase while everyone else remains stagnant.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 25th 2018 at 8:08:21 AM

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lara16 Since: Mar, 2018
#32771: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:10:44 PM

[up][up][up] It's not like that's particularly uncommon in DBZ.

I like the entire fight with Vegeta because the heroes barely manage to keep up and fight tooth and nail for their victory. It was done at later points too, but I think that was the best occasion. It really felt like they actually earned their victory at the end.

[up][up] Sure, whatever you say. tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#32772: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:12:43 PM

Whoever trains is stronger then whoever gets a power-up is stronger or it can be reversed.

A very simple formula.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32773: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:12:58 PM

[up][up]As opposed to just whatever you say, and misused memes...

But, uh, I'm looking forward to the early Buu stuff. That should be fun.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 10:16:26 AM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32774: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:14:33 PM

So 18 IS the Krillin of the Androids? That's why she married him

So i guess it made sense that Gero would gradually lower the power of every subsequent Android but why make himself the weakest?

Of course, this ignores Cell and other non-canon Androids such as 21. I don't even know how strong is 21 supposed to be.

Uni cat
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32775: Sep 25th 2018 at 8:17:27 PM

I could be wrong, but I think for Goku vs King Piccolo, Goku was stronger, but Piccolo was able to injure him to make the victory tougher. The same is basically true for Majunior and then Cell, pretty sure.

With Freeza, they fought and fought and fought and only managed to piss him off. Until he pissed Goku off.

I guess Kid Buu is an exception as well though.


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