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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32726: Sep 25th 2018 at 11:16:55 AM

We could just blame that on Toei. They were kinda lame to 18...though at least she did stuff when they weren't damseling her.

The manga didn't even try, and like a lot of other characters, got her out as quickly as possible.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#32727: Sep 25th 2018 at 11:23:33 AM

No matter what way we try to justify it (and I've tried, because I hate hearing that garbage out of Krillin's mouth), it's just Toriyama being lazy for the sake of focusing on a specific group of characters. 18 is just where it's most obvious...though it's still nigh impossible to justify Roshi being there instead of Yamcha.

My headcanon is that 18 knew that Krillin was insecure about his strength as a fighter, so when Freeza came back she decided to throw him a bone and let him go in her stead. Sure, you could argue that it'd be irresponsible to endanger the fate of the world just to spare her husband's ego, but the outcome of the fight was solely dependent on whether Goku and/or Vegeta could hack it anyway. Everyone else was just there to clear away cannon fodder.

As for why Roshi was chosen over Yamcha... well... I mean, it's Yamcha.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32728: Sep 25th 2018 at 11:28:10 AM

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Meh. I suppose. I don't feel like thinking about it anymore, so any reason that isn't the real one is ok with me.

As for why Roshi was chosen over Yamcha... well... I mean, it's Yamcha.

Sadly enough, I can buy that too.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32729: Sep 25th 2018 at 11:35:42 AM

Probably to start shifting Roshi from Dirty Old Man comedic relief to back to his Badass days.

And i don't mind that

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32730: Sep 25th 2018 at 11:37:09 AM

I mean, they were handwaving Roshi being much stronger than he should have been since Resurrection F.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32731: Sep 25th 2018 at 12:11:25 PM

I admit, I prefer Roshi as that as opposed to Dirty Old Man, as those kind of characters are not very tolerated these days.

The thing is though, Roshi bowed out years earlier (and Toriyama himself wrote that), so for him to suddenly say oh, now he's back so deal with it is just another case of him changing his mind on nothing more than a whim.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#32732: Sep 25th 2018 at 12:16:10 PM

My headcanon is that 18 knew that Krillin was insecure about his strength as a fighter, so when Freeza came back she decided to throw him a bone and let him go in her stead.

I feel like that's more offensive to both Krillin and to 18, though.

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#32733: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:25:37 PM

wild mass guesskrillen and 18 played a game of rock paper scissors to decide who would go fight and who would go to the front lines and who would be backup. Krillen wonwild mass guess

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lara16 Since: Mar, 2018
#32734: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:38:30 PM

Well, Krillin should be glad 18 didn't see him embarrassing himself against Freeza's random Mooks.

Out of story, it wouldn't make any sense for Krillin to stay behind with his kid while 18 is out fighting. Krillin is one of the prominent supporting characters, unlike 18, so it would be weird if he was Put on a Bus during the movie. It's just that 18 should've been there too, and the reason why she wasn't is pretty flimsy. (protecting their kid? come on, just put that thing on the lookout or something. not like DBZ fans aren't used to questionable parenting)

Also, was 17 actually stronger than 18 during the Android Arc? He said he was, but it's not like he wouldn't be prone to boasting without much basis.

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#32735: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:44:37 PM

My guess is that he was a tad bit stronger but not by a wide margin like the power gap they have between Cell and 16.

Who knows, maybe Piccolo would have destroyed 18 if she went against him first. Actually, i'm not sure how strong was Piccolo compared to 17 and 18 back then, i assume he is stronger than at least 18 around Super.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32736: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:56:26 PM

My guess is that he was a tad bit stronger but not by a wide margin like the power gap they have between Cell and 16.

It's pretty rare for power gaps in DB to not be vastly wide. I'm assuming if 17 is stronger, than it is by a wide margin, because with a few exceptions (Goku vs Roshi / Tien / Piccolo Jr, and Kamicolo vs 17), that's the only margin that matters.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32737: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:59:14 PM

There was no way that 17 was only slightly stronger than 18. He had to be significantly stronger than stronger than her because he was fighting evenly with Piccolo after reuniting with Kami, who was significantly stronger than Vegeta.

Meanwhile, Vegeta was able to put up a decent fight against 18.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32738: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:02:55 PM

I'm pretty sure she was screwing with Vegeta for the bulk of that fight, and the only reason it looked like he stood a chance was due to her not really trying.

But yeah, the above point still stands. I should have mentioned that in the first place.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32739: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:04:45 PM

So androids get weaker the latter they are made?

That doesn't make sense. Gero doesn't make sense so in the end, it makes sense

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#32740: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:05:51 PM

Yeah given how 18 was trouncing Vegeta, I think the gap between her and 17 being marginal makes sense.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32741: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:06:36 PM

She was only doing that until after he got tired. She couldn't just end the fight whenever she wanted.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 5:08:55 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#32742: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:08:07 PM

Well it follows a pattern.

Gero is 20 & he’s the weakest so it goes from him to 19, 18, 17, & finally 16 who is the strongest.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#32743: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:09:51 PM

[up][up]And you think Piccolo could have one-shotted Vegeta?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32744: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:10:23 PM

I mean, probably. The fuss they make about Piccolo's power does lead me to believe that for that period before he and Trunks went into the champer, yes, Piccolo completely outclassed Vegeta.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 25th 2018 at 5:10:39 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#32745: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:11:07 PM

Well anyone can one-shot Vegeta.

Hell Yamcha should give it a shot.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#32746: Sep 25th 2018 at 3:12:19 PM

Remember, Vegeta almost got killed by Krillin. Twice.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32747: Sep 25th 2018 at 5:15:43 PM

To be fair, Vegeta let him the second time.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32748: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:11:35 PM

And the first time he was almost half-dead with very little damage actually due to Krillin. It really says nothing.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32749: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:34:04 PM

I mean, the fact that Krillin even had a chance says a lot to me about just how far Vegeta had fallen and how badly that day had gone for him.

Also, any speculation on if TFS will give Vegerot half a halo? Because sometimes I forget about Vegerot being half-dead even though it's my favorite thing.

Will they do "Yo! Son Goku And His Friends Return!" at any point?

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#32750: Sep 25th 2018 at 7:35:42 PM

To be fair, Vegeta let him the second time.

I'm sure whenever it comes up at parties, Vegeta insists he let Krillin do it the first time too.


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