Dragon Ball Z Abridged

Penguin Village only crosses over with DBZ Earth every 30 years.

You're assuming anything could kill her.

Edited by ultimatepheer on Sep 23rd 2018 at 6:40:41 AM

Arale is kind of hard to nail down how canon Dr. Slump is to Dragon Ball.

Android 8 would be a better comparison. Why was he revived but 16 wasn't? Is it because Namekian Dragon Balls? Or maybe an excuse to keep 16 dead?

Arale could be exempt by the loophole known as Exact Words, but it depends on if 17 was killed before Buu enacted that Genocide.

On the other hand, Dr. Slump crossovers tend to be more MST3K Mantra material in comparison to the rest of DB.

When the Earth gets wished back after Buu it still has cities and aircars and things on it. I just assume that Arale and Android 8 count as things. They fall under the "bring back the Earth" wish.

I interpreted it that Shenron could bring back a robot with the memories and data of the entity known as Android 16, but couldnt bring Android 16 back to life.

"Bring back to life all the people killed by Cell" would exclude 16 by virtue of 16 never having been alive, never having been a person, and never having been killed.

"Bring back all the things destroyed by Cell" might include 16 along with cameras and other property damage he caused.

Edited by unnoun on Sep 23rd 2018 at 10:28:46 AM

Although in Abridged, 16 had a soul and is in Heaven, and the reason he didn't come back is probably because Heaven is just so nice that he decided not to.

The most obvious answer is that since Goku stayed dead, 16 stayed dead so he could kill Goku in the afterlife.

...I could see it.

Yeah that was a really sweet moment, and I'm glad they didn't go with Shenron going "haha no soul" like I was expecting.

I hope that in the far future when they get to the scene where Goku is revived by old Kai giving his life to him, there is cut to Android 16 getting mad.

They could do some clever editing and have 16 appear in the scene in heaven with Dabura, Videl, Chi-Chi, and Bulma.

"what do you mean Son Goku isn't here?"

As Goku pops up into the world of the living, a fist flies through where Goku's head used to be. A couple seconds later, " Dammit." can be heard in the distance.

Quite. Between that and Gohan snapping at the line, "We both know he didn't have a soul," I think TFS's position on 16's existence is pretty clear.

I do love that 16's desire to murder Goku remained to his dying breath. "If we do make it out of this, please pick up my head and BEAT YOUR FATHER TO DEATH WITH IT."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 23rd 2018 at 10:05:53 AM

I'm actually sort of surprised 16 got along with Gohan at all. He is 50% Goku.

I don't think he's necessarily required to kill anyone that's part-Goku. His "These parameters are acceptable" bit with Cell was just using Cell's Goku genes as an excuse to justify fighting him.

He never needed to come up with a reason to try and kill Gohan, so he just never brought it up.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 24th 2018 at 6:55:05 AM

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for context: Android 16 is answering an important question: Is Bardock a Goku?

Cell is supposedly made of cells, so those cells that Cell got from Goku would contain 100% of Goku's DNA.

Because of the way sperm, eggs and meiosis work, 50% of Goku's DNA would be from 50% of Bardock's DNA.

Gohan and Goten would each have 50% of Goku's DNA, but not necessarily the same 50% as Goku from Bardock. Not necessarily the same 50% as each other either.

To try to summarize, part of Bardock is part of Goku, and part of Goku is part of Gohan and Goten, but part of Cell is all of Goku.

Cell probably has a shitload of chromosomes.

I'm assuming, given that Humans and Saiyans can interbreed, and Gohan isnt sterile, that Saiyans are just one chromosome pair off from humans. Like Przewalski's horse and the domestic horse. Przewalski's horse has 33 pairs of chromosomes, the domestic horse has 32, and male hybrids can breed with female domestic horses.

Goku's and Vegeta's cells would have all of their DNA, so assuming I'm right and they have 24 pairs to the human 23 pairs, that's 96 chromosomes in Cell right off the bat.

And that's just the manga. Pretty sure the anime mentions Nappa (48), Tien (46), Krillin (46), and Gohan (47, assuming my above theory is correct) as components of Cell's make-up.

No idea about Freeza, King Cold and Piccolo. Especially since Freeza and King Cold are both mutants, and Piccolo is a weird demon baby.

Edited by unnoun on Sep 24th 2018 at 10:05:35 AM

I think TFS misspoke with the 10.98% line.

The way 16 says it makes it sound like 10.98% of Son Goku's DNA is inside of Cell. But I think what they were going for was that 10.98% of Cell is comprised of Son Goku's DNA.

TFS Cell seems to be going off of the anime, with Krillin and Gohan in there, and his personality is a bit Abridged!Nappa, so presumably him too. And since everyone else in anime!Cell is there, I'm just going to go ahead and assume Tien too, because fuck it.

That's four, plus the five (Freeza, King Cold, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo) from the manga, that's 9 sources.

100% divided by 9 is 11.1 repeating.

And 50% of Gohan is 50% of Goku, so if we were strictly going by amount of Goku DNA, it'd be like. I dunno, I'm not the best at math, I think it'd be 16.6 repeating?

Maybe 10.98 is just a funnier number though.

And, maybe a fly, or a mosquito, cockroach, cicada or grasshopper or something fell in the vat at some point and that's why he's all buggy.

Course, maybe Freeza, Cold and Piccolo's cells just have more DNA in them. Longer strands, more chromosomes, more coding sections. Maybe more junk DNA too. Just more deoxyribonucleic acid. So to calculate what percent of Cell is what you'd have to go by the total amount of DNA period.

Of course, depending on what you think "born from his father alone" means, Freeza and King Cold are probably more similar DNA-wise than Goku and Gohan.

Edited by unnoun on Sep 24th 2018 at 10:53:08 AM

-SNIP, can't read it seems

Still, Cell looks more like a transgenic version of Freeza's species than a Freeza-Saiyan-Namekian mashup.

Edited by Eriorguez on Sep 24th 2018 at 5:08:02 PM

Your assumption is flawed because you're assuming he'd be using DNA equally. Which, isn't how DNA would work (If you accept LEGO Genetics for the purpose of Cell which we Kinda have to).

Gero's computer would've selected specific genes from each samples, and spliced those together. There would therefore not be an even amount of each host as there'd be no reason to include genes that fulfill the same role from the same species (ie: A single "Zenkai" gene would be necessary, not one from each Saiyans).

I mean. The manga and anime specifically say Cell is made of the 'cells' of the galaxy's greatest warriors. They talk about Freeza's cells, King Cold, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and, in the anime, the rest.

LEGO Genetics is the wrong assumption because it's not true. Cell's construction was specifically not on the genetic level, but the cellular level.

Everything that talks about Cell is consistent about him being made of cells. Not gene splicing.

Not that it makes any sense, but it's consistent about it.

In Xenoverse and/or Fighter Z I remember a line from the English Dub where somebody mentions Cell having "fused cells" which might be more nonsensical.

Edited by unnoun on Sep 24th 2018 at 11:37:59 AM

Not really, coz then he'd not be able to regenerate his non-Namekian cells. Heck, his Zenkai wouldn't affect his non-Saiyan cells. And only the Freeza/Cold parts of him would transform.

Cells containing the fused DNA of each of his sample. Ergo spliced. :-P

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 24th 2018 at 11:39:12 AM