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#32576: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:28:44 PM

Like, half of the threads I commonly frequent aren't on my Watched Threads list, though not this one. The Dragon Ball Manga thread, MCU thread, and One Piece thread are among them, however.

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#32577: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:29:11 PM

I don't think Toriyama does last names so i guess Gero is his name.

So you guys are talking about a cool concept that is stupid when you analyze it?

Sounds like Broly

Edited by fasoman1996 on Sep 20th 2018 at 11:29:07 AM

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#32578: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:29:52 PM

Seriously, where are we supposed to go to complain/notify administration about the issues? (Even though at this point they're probably already aware of them.)

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#32579: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:33:17 PM

[up][up] Eh.

It’s not like Broly majorly breaks the lore or goes against any important optimism themes like the Shadow Dragons do.

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#32580: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:33:49 PM

There's a tech wishlist and bug subforum.

Also, his full name is clearly 'Doctor Gero.' The question is whether that's Eastern or Western name order.

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#32581: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:40:35 PM

It's a part of the setting that family names are rare and outdated. It's how Videl finds out that Gohan is Goku's son (as they share the Son family name).

Remember, Goku is a hillbilly.

There were only seven dragonballs so some wishes had to get shafted. That's how it goes sometimes.

They should have just not directly tied them to wishes, as it's ultimately hollow

Edited by Saiga on Sep 21st 2018 at 12:44:56 AM

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#32582: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:43:11 PM

It helps that Goku was raised by a very old man.

[up][up] Well it’s not like people aren’t named Doctor after all,

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 20th 2018 at 7:43:23 AM

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#32583: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:46:50 PM

The conversation about thematics made me curious so I looked up some dialogue.

Subbed

Syn Shenron: You're going to make me pay? Who was it that gave me life? It was you, Son Goku!

Goku: What?

Syn Shenron: We were born as a result of your overuse of the Dragon Balls. The Earth is being disrupted; and it's all your fault! After having been helped out so many times by the Dragon Balls, don't go asking for anything!

Goku:I feel sorry about it too. It's like the Elderly Kaiosin said, we shouldn't use the Dragon Balls unduly. But that's different from this. I'm still going to defeat you with my own hands!

Syn Shenron: That's easy for you to say If you're truly sorry, then apologize with your life!

English Dub

Syn Shenron: And how dare you criticize your own creation? We're here because of you.

Goku: What do you mean?

Syn Shenron: All of the Shadow Dragons were born because you misused the Dragon Balls. Remember? It all started with you. Your world is crumbling because of your actions. You were warned about the overuse, but you didn't listen. This is all your fault.

Goku: Everything we ever wished for was always for the good of the planet. Old Kai warned me and I felt bad for doing it, but I never made a selfish wish. Every wish made on the Dragon Balls was important. Do you hear me? I did what was right for the planet then, and I'll do what is right for the planet now, even if I'm blind.

Syn Shenron: A noble monkey. If you feel so bad about it then maybe death should be your penance.

Yeah I far prefer the take the dub goes with.

Edited by Moth13 on Sep 20th 2018 at 10:46:54 AM

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#32584: Sep 20th 2018 at 7:54:37 PM

That's definitely an improvement. It's nice that someone called out the dragons on their shit, even if it was dub only.

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#32585: Sep 20th 2018 at 8:07:25 PM

Have you compliment dub before?

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#32586: Sep 20th 2018 at 8:46:32 PM

I never watched the original Dragon Balls, any of them. Z, GT, I'm not currently watching Super. I have fun watching you lot go off on tangents.

So, I thought the reason people liked the Shadow Dragons at all is because they wanted their to, at last, be a consequence for death, or at least a consequence for avoiding the consequence of death.

So, proposal...

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#32587: Sep 20th 2018 at 9:14:42 PM

So, to reel the topic back to DBZA, what kind of dynamics do you expect to see in Season 4 between characters?

I personally want to see how much Gohan and Krillin change between seasons since they definitely will not have the same Running Gags in Season 4

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#32588: Sep 20th 2018 at 9:21:07 PM

[up][up] I can understand that, but I think they also needed the balls to have the scale they wanted without going too dark.

I think the only problem came with the Namekian balls, especially Moori's balls in the Boo arc. After that it's difficult to have tension.

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#32589: Sep 20th 2018 at 9:23:32 PM

slugs dont have balls

and even if they did moori is clearly a girl since she can lay eggs

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#32590: Sep 20th 2018 at 9:38:27 PM

I'm interested in how TFS will write Goten and Trunks. In canon, they both kind of play both halves of the Straight Man and Wise Guy routine in their own ways: Trunks is the sarcastic and rude wise guy while Goten is the nice and pure-hearted straight man. On the other side of the coin, Goten is the naive and goofy wise guy while Trunks is the mature and knowledgeable straight man.

Their dynamic is actually kind of similar to a younger and nicer version of the Goku/Vegeta dynamic, now that I think about it.

The double Straight Man and Wise Guy routine is a very hard one to write for, and while canon didn't explore the comedic potential all that much, TFS, if they decided to keep that general dynamic, could produce some genuinely gutbusting comedy if they really put the effort into them.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 20th 2018 at 9:38:55 AM

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#32591: Sep 21st 2018 at 4:07:59 AM

[up]I don't expect much from Goten & Trunks from the buu saga since the they said many times that they don't really like them.

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#32592: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:07:06 AM

's a part of the setting that family names are rare and outdated. It's how Videl finds out that Gohan is Goku's son (as they share the Son family name).

Could have sworn the dub went with the Son family being different because their family name is first. Whereas with everyone else it's western style, Videl Satan, Bulma Briefs, etc.

I think that sorta works. Really well, actually.

The details might be different, but the effect of "Videl is able to figure out Gohan's family because his name is weird" stays the same.

[up] They better learn to like it in my onion.

Or at least not let their dislike impact their writing overly much.

I like the analysis of Goten and Trunks's dynamic from a comedic perspective.

Edited by unnoun on Sep 21st 2018 at 9:13:29 AM

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#32593: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:21:58 AM

Slugs have ovotestes, ergo they have balls. They also lack separate sexes, with every individual being able to impregnate others and being able to be impregnated, gender being a role more than anything.

Namekians have asexual reproduction AFAIK.

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#32594: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:29:39 AM

[up][up] Not sure how it went down in any of the other dubs but I'm pretty sure that's not how it went down in the Kai dub and that's certainly not how it down in the manga where only the Son family have family names.

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#32595: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:32:06 AM

They also hated Broly, rightly so, and we got some phenomenal content out of that. I wouldn't worry about it.

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#32596: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:37:52 AM

Could have sworn the dub went with the Son family being different because their family name is first. Whereas with everyone else it's western style, Videl Satan, Bulma Briefs, etc.

Are those actually anyone's names, though?

Like, does Videl have a last name? And I thought "Briefs" was basically fanon because people assumed her last name was Briefs because they assumed that Dr. Briefs used his last name?

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#32597: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:45:43 AM

[up][up] yeah, and most of that content was throwing shade's at Broly

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#32598: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:45:52 AM

But they did Broly right because his power IS MAXIMUM

And i think they will handle Goten and Trunks just fine.

I wonder how long will the Might Mask stuff will last. I suppose this 18 is smart enough to notice the obvious two holes that have eyes in the waist (Unlike canon where she had to wait for them to go Super Saiyan, THEN she figured it out)

Edited by fasoman1996 on Sep 21st 2018 at 10:45:32 AM

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#32599: Sep 21st 2018 at 7:01:21 AM

I guess you may be right and they do put their bias aside to do something interesting with Goten and Trunks

Though the only thing I expect is them to become butt monkeys who get shaded by practically everyon

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#32600: Sep 21st 2018 at 7:27:48 AM

The abridged Broly seemed to be a begrudging admission that they kind of understood his appeal.

"He's so cool... but he's so dumb!"

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