Or that it just never came up. I can definitely see the Saiyans choosing to omit that fact when there's no real reason to mention it in the first place. To be fair, I'm fully admitting that the existence of a larger organization was only my interpretation at the time and not supported by any real evidence.
Edited by Berserker88 on Sep 15th 2018 at 5:10:03 AM
In fairness to Super, not that I even particularly want to, that's 30 races after decades of Frieza running wild.
By the time Super starts, Frieza's only been dead for, what, 10 years?
And he did what he does for decades before that point.
What feats are those? Genuinely curious.
Edited by unnoun on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:09:57 AM
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Nappa and Vegeta don't mention it to each other in their conversation on that planet they massacred, even though with later context, Vegeta's order to Nappa would have been an order to defy Freeza. Nor does Nappa suggest using the dragon balls to defeat Freeza, or breeding powerful hybrids to defeat Freeza. They just overall act like he doesn't exist. Same thing for even internal monologues; Vegeta thinks to himself that since he's the strongest in the universe, he could not possibly lose to Kakarot.
Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 15th 2018 at 5:09:37 AM
There's a lot of inconsistency in the Saiyan arc when you frame it in lights of other, later revelation.
Like Freeza employing soldiers who are too weak to use Ki beams - they need guns.
Yet Nappa and Vegeta have access to convenient and disposable Saibamen. Why isn't Freeza fielding Saibamen by the hundreds? They can use Ki. They are objectively better than the average Freeza soldier.
Like a certain long video essay points out, that's a long issue of DBZ, despite the work assuring us everyone is stronger, the feats haven't gotten more impressive than since the day Roshi blew up the moon.
It's people doing the same thing and the show/manga going "Trust us, this is so much more than the last time you saw this"
Edited by Ghilz on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:12:15 AM
Well. Moon buster.
And the Kamehameha is stronger than base power anyway.
Supposedly the average Frieza Soldier is 2000.
They use the blasters because. I dunno. Maybe the blasters are just stronger than the ki blasts they can do on their own.
And I thought the Saibamen were as strong as they were because Earth had good soil?
Edited by unnoun on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:12:44 AM
Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 15th 2018 at 5:18:48 AM
Good example of Toriyama forgetting shit: I'm pretty sure he completely forgot about Roshi blowing up the moon even though a character in the next tournament holds a grudge against him specifically for that. Not to mention the implications for poor Monster Carrot...
And then they just retconned something in about Kami restoring it or some such, which to be fair, is fully within the god of the Earth's power and responsibility to do.
Edited by Berserker88 on Sep 15th 2018 at 5:15:07 AM
There's no indication the beam cannons are in anyway more powerful than what we see anyone do.
Not backed up by the work. Saibamen are smart enough to understand and follow orders. They also fight intelligently and unlike Freeza soldiers do not fear death and will kamikaze to take out a foe.
There's no indication that Freeza's soldier have any edge, at least when it comes to grunt work
Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 15th 2018 at 5:20:26 AM
They parry, they dodge, they use techniques, they even attack when an opponent is not paying attention. Seems like intelligent fighting to me.
Animals who understand the concept of a tournament, rounds, and Vegeta's orders.
I don't think having a green house full of fertile ground to make literally unfinite soldiers is beyond the grasp of a guy who owns at least 448 planets named after himself.
Edited by Ghilz on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:25:57 AM
Saying Toriyama forgot the moon destruction is pretty silly when he continuee to reference it and later has Saiyan arc Piccolo easily blow it up.
The real answer is that Toriyana doesn't care about realistic scale.
That's why it is similarly silly to apply real world math to their feats. They are never said to be faster than light, so we shouldn't assume that they are.
On the Saibaimen: they're not better than Freeza's soldiers. They were described as rivaling Raditz only in strength, they can't talk, we have no idea of their abilities beyond that. But there's nothing stopping Freeza from employing both.
Edited by Saiga on Sep 15th 2018 at 10:36:58 PM
Things really would've been better if Freiza had been the first planet buster. In a world where the Roshi and Piccolo hadn't somehow managed to destroy the same moon on two separate occasions, and we didn't have filler where Vegeta blows up planets, planet buster status would've been a better way to sell just how much stronger Frieza was than everyone else than the arbitrarily high power levels we got.
Edited by Gilphon on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:37:56 AM
He was the 1st planet buster.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Clearly he wasn't. Piccolo can casually blow up the moon and this doesn't even drain him. and plenty of planets are the size of our or less moon.
It really isn't. Because there's no minimum size for a planet.
Edited by Ghilz on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:39:49 AM
Pluto is smaller than the moon. Pluto is 2/3 the size of the moon. Eris is even smaller.
What makes a planet is its orbit, not its size.
And that's putting aside that if Piccolo and Roshi can vaporize the moon, they both can render the earth inhabitable. They might not be able to vaporize the planet, but certainly wipe out all life on it if not crack the damn thing. They can certainly shift its orbit easily.
At that point, planet "busting" becomes moot.
Edited by Ghilz on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:46:11 AM

Also, in the Saiyan arc Vegeta explicitly states that he's going after the dragon balls so he can become immortal and enjoy an eternity of violence and battle forever. In the Freeza arc he suddenly changes it to needing immortality so he could beat Freeza.
Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 15th 2018 at 5:09:27 AM