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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#32126: Sep 15th 2018 at 1:44:15 PM

[up] They can train their eyes to see things that move faster than the speed of light (IE: The thing that eyes use to see). Why wouldn't they be able to make their eyes immune to glaring?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32127: Sep 15th 2018 at 1:46:36 PM

I don't think it's ever been confirmed that they are moving faster than light most of the time (that was a dub line) and the implication (at least originally) is that they aren't actually following the people moving to fast to normally see with their eyes.

But even if they did, that would just make me thing they're making their eyes more sensitive to bright light, not less.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 15th 2018 at 3:46:35 AM

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#32128: Sep 15th 2018 at 1:51:39 PM

While there's plenty to argue about Minus being stupid, that's something that was plenty stupid in the OG manga.
Yeah, Freeza's existence is pretty stupid (and lazy).

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#32129: Sep 15th 2018 at 1:55:39 PM

Lazy in the sense that no other words exist apparently.

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#32130: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:02:34 PM

Lazy in the sense that he's a copy-pasted Vegeta.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32131: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:03:16 PM

Lazy in the sense that he's barely even that...

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#32132: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:05:32 PM

When Raditz arrived he said he was part of the "Planet Trade" where they wiped out local inhabitants of a planet, then sold them. Was that a dub invention? Did that get retconned out when Freeza showed up and they were always conquering planets for him? Did Freeza ever sell a planet to someone? And, if so, who?

Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 15th 2018 at 3:07:48 AM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32133: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:07:41 PM

No, I think Frieza's thing is the Planet Trade Organization.

In Jaco, apparently there's a Galactic King, and his forces, the Galactic Patrol, are opposed to Frieza's Planet Trade Organization.

Frieza's more of a really nasty realtor than anything.

Zennistrad from The Multiverse Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#32134: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:16:42 PM

Toriyama based Frieza off of Japanese real estate speculators.

More broadly, he's a very blunt allegory for the kind of gentrification you see where your landlord evicts from your home so they can renovate it and sell it for a profit.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32135: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:24:00 PM

I don't think it's ever been confirmed that they are moving faster than light most of the time (that was a dub line) and the implication (at least originally) is that they aren't actually following the people moving to fast to normally see with their eyes.

I believe way back when, Piccolo described it as following the energy they give off. The difference between that and actually following with the bare eye is noted in both versions of Resurrection F, where it's stated that Jaco is the only one following the battle with just his own eyesight.

This is made clear in the Universe 6 arc, where he's the only one who catches Frost cheating as well, and I believe he recognized that Hit was literally disappearing as opposed to just moving fast.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32136: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:27:04 PM

So wait, how do they fight 17 and 18 then?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32137: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:28:58 PM

[up]

...Shit. Now I gotta look up every single version of Piccolo's explanation of how they follow movements to Gohan.

I hate hard work.

Edit: So here it is:

So yeah. With the way that explanation works, I have no clue how they follow the movements of the Androids.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 15th 2018 at 3:32:10 AM

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#32138: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:43:20 PM

Huh. Yeah, that is a plot hole.

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#32139: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:44:18 PM

One of my favorite Toei-only Super moves is the Solar Flare x100. Even if it failed specifically because its opponent was blind, it's still a cool as shit concept that neatly patches the holes in the original Solar Flare, namely that you can still sense people's ki through it and it doesn't last very long. I want Krillin to have it in every single game he's in for the future.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#32140: Sep 15th 2018 at 2:56:52 PM

A move that shuts off the opponents super meter is such a no brainer (especially in Dragonball games, which naturally rely heavily on meter use) is such a no brainer that I’m surprised the games themselves haven’t invented one of their own yet.

I’d Fighter Z had come out a year later, I bet it would’ve been one of his super moves. That and the 18 + Krillin Accel Dance would’ve instead been the combo attack they do in the tournament.

In the show itself, I’m a little disappointed that it’s literally just the Solar Flare, but more (the tournament of power was full of that, and if anything the Solar Flare x100 was an early warning), but overall I like the idea and the scenes framing it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 15th 2018 at 3:00:52 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#32141: Sep 15th 2018 at 3:41:05 PM

[up]IIRC, some games have the regular Solar Flare do exactly that.

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Berserker88 Since: Dec, 2010
#32142: Sep 15th 2018 at 4:23:19 PM

For all the clear evidence of Toriyama not thinking ahead with DB, it's almost hard for me to believe that Freeza was an example. Because Raditz comes right out in the original manga and explains that he's in the business of trading planets to other races, which implied to me at least that he and the other Saiyans were working for someone else as part of a large organization. I guess Toriyama intended that they were just doing it on their own as a way of making of living with their race wiped out, but fighting the Saiyans and then the guy controlling the Saiyans always made so much sense to me that it's weird to think that it was retconned in.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#32143: Sep 15th 2018 at 4:55:23 PM

[up] IIRC, Raditz doesn't imply he's working for anyone. But that trading planets is a thing Saiyans do and he and the other 2 have kept the business going despite their race being dead.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 15th 2018 at 7:57:33 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32144: Sep 15th 2018 at 4:58:45 PM

@Tobias/Rob The characters can still track movememt with their eyes, that's what Freeza's forces do. But it's relative.

Furthermore Gero does say that the Z warriors are too dependent on ki sensing when he's evading Vegeta. So they're disadvantaged when relying on their eyesight alone.

On Cell being not able to tell Trunks/Tenshinhan apart: I'm pretty sure that's intended as Cell 100% snarking.

In canon, the characters can distinguish each other by ki over a distance, and even tell if they are evil. There can be similarities in ki - two Super Saiyans' ki feels similar to each other, for instance.

Cell wouldn't actually make that mistake if he was relying on ki instead of sight. Unless they're ignoring that fact to make that the joke.

Edited by Saiga on Sep 15th 2018 at 10:00:03 PM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32145: Sep 15th 2018 at 4:59:38 PM

Raditz also says "Impossible! You could never have forgotten me..." even though both Dragon Ball Minus and the original Bardock special seem to indicate Kakarot and Raditz never actually met.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32146: Sep 15th 2018 at 5:00:13 PM

The PTO doesn't make a lot of sense to me given how empty the DB universe is. Like dude, there aren't even thirty sentient races out there, what are you doing wiping out entire client bases every twenty years or so? That's no good for business!

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#32147: Sep 15th 2018 at 5:03:01 PM

Raditz also says "Impossible! You could never have forgotten me..." even though both Dragon Ball Minus and the original Bardock special seem to indicate Kakarot and Raditz never actually met.

Assume the "You" in that sentence is Toriyama, and Raditz' words are prophetic

@Saiga none of which explains how they percieve Androids moving faster than light.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:04:31 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#32148: Sep 15th 2018 at 5:04:37 PM

The Saiyan’s not mentioning their boss could just be them being really arrogant as normal & trying to act like big-shots.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32149: Sep 15th 2018 at 5:06:52 PM

[up][up] Faster than sight. Not light per se.

High speed cameras can show plenty of things that are faster than the human eye can see but not faster than the speed of light itself.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#32150: Sep 15th 2018 at 5:07:11 PM

[up][up][up]Maybe pure-bred Saiyan babies can remember everything from their birth onwards. Maybe that's why Broly still perfectly remembers Goku crying after several years.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Sep 15th 2018 at 8:09:29 AM

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