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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#31726: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:06:53 PM

[up][up][up] Not according to the official timeline. Gohan was born in Age 757 while the Cell Games take place on Age 767. That's exactly 10 years. Plus one more year for the day spent in the HTC and that makes him 11.

Edited by Zelenal on Sep 7th 2018 at 11:06:28 AM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31727: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:09:05 PM

Gohan could just be starting high school late because Chi-chi is a controlling smother, and she only agreed to stop home schooling him for one year or whatever.

Doubt that's the actual reason, but I could buy it.

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#31728: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:14:18 PM

I feel bad for Goten.

No wonder he became a player in GT.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#31729: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:15:21 PM

You know what? You don't even have to take the Daizenshuu's word for it. Let's calculate it ourselves.

Gohan is 4 when we first see him. One year (roughly) passes between that and Vegeta, making him 5. He remains 5 all throughout the Freeza Saga. Nearly a year passes between Namek exploding and the Namekian's going to New Namek meaning he's about 6. A further year passes between that and Goku returning to Earth making him 7. Three years pass between that and the meat of the Android Saga making him 10. A year spent in the HTC makes him 11.

QED.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31730: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:15:39 PM

Better than the last episode. Gohan didn't really do much for me but there's at least some more entertaining bits like Vegeta taking the Super Duper Saiyan line absolutely seriously or Goku's last line.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31731: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:22:27 PM

I hope SS2 and 3 get called Super Duper Saiyan and Super Dee Duper Saiyan for the rest of the series.

Edited by Moth13 on Sep 7th 2018 at 12:24:38 PM

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#31732: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:23:24 PM

Nearly a year passes between Namek exploding and the Namekian's going to New Namek meaning he's about 6.

This is the problem with that line of logic. We're not given exact dates/years in the manga, without knowing Gohan's birth month we can't be sure.

He's at least nine in the manga without factoring in the HCT, which is what most people do. That would mean at the Boo arc he's legally 16-17 which fits High School better.

I didn't realize you were factoring the HCT year into saying he was 11, so yeah, scratch my comment about him starting high school at 18 because the school wouldn't know that.

Edited by Saiga on Sep 8th 2018 at 2:23:28 AM

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#31733: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:24:02 PM

It didn't last long enough for his sadism to really get me.

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#31734: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:24:25 PM

I really hope TFS keeps Super Duper Saiyan as their official name for Super Saiyan 2, and Goku showing off the forms to Buu goes like this:

Goku: "What you're seeing now is my base power, untransformed."

*Goku transforms*

Goku: "This is a Super Saiyan. And this-"

*Goku transforms again*

Goku: "-is a power beyond that of a Super Saiyan. We call this Super Duper Saiyan."

Goku: "And this, is to go, even further beyond!"

*Goku screams for an absurdly long time and transforms*

Goku: "Sorry that took so long, I haven't practiced this one much. I call this Super Dee Duper Saiyan."

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#31735: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:25:31 PM

So how long do you think part 3 will be? Because i can see half the episode covering the beam struggle and the other half the dragon ball wishes.

I don't think there is enough space for Trunks dealing with the androids in his timelines. Unless the episode is 29 minutes long

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#31736: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:25:40 PM

I do feel like they went a bit too fast with Cell going from glee to "fuck it!".

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#31737: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:26:37 PM

Didn't they say that they're having Trunks going back to the future as its own pseudo-special?

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#31738: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:30:24 PM

That makes sense.

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#31739: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:30:58 PM

I mean, the special wouldn't take more than 10 minutes tops.

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#31740: Sep 7th 2018 at 9:43:27 PM

@Saiga: Are you actually ignoring the Daizenshuu? This seems like a first. Regardless, even ignoring the Daizenshuu, it takes 260 days before the Namekians go away (nearly nine months) and you if factor in things like the month-long journey to Namek, the 10 days between the Vegeta battle and them leaving for Namek, and the 6 days they were actually on Namek; you get an extra 46 days you can add to Gohan's age. While an extra month-and-a-half isn't much, it's enough to push that "nearly nine months" to a bit over ten months making it more than likely that Gohan was 6.

Edited by Zelenal on Sep 7th 2018 at 11:45:51 AM

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#31741: Sep 7th 2018 at 10:13:11 PM

I'm not ignoring it, but I don't put 100% faith in them due to a variety of factors such as errors, inconsistency with other guides (like the later SEG), or Daizenshuu 7 in particular mixing anime and manga information together.

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#31742: Sep 7th 2018 at 11:04:03 PM

I think they said on twitch the 3 parts of 60 would make it 1 hr 7 mins, and there will be an epilogue which bumps it up to 1 and a half hours

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#31743: Sep 8th 2018 at 4:19:29 AM

Goku does say to his friends that he'll get to meet all the dead martial artists, and South Kaio mentions one of his own in the early Boo arc. Goku later mentions that he couldn't practice fusion with anyone in the afterlife because no-one was on par with him.

Which further highlights just how unusually powerful this set of characters is, since he can fuse in his base form. This doesn't just mean no one could keep up with Super Saiyan 3 Goku. It means none of these dead martial artists could match his base strength.

Which makes sense. Goku had a battle power of 3 million in base when he fought Frieza and that's only kept on rising. Meanwhile, the second-most powerful warrior in the universe next to Frieza was only 120,000. The Saiyans and Piccolo at this point are beyond the reasonable limitations of mortal beings to a rather absurd degree.

It's not unreasonable that the afterlife doesn't have a lot of guys who can challenge a dude that no one in the living universe can hope to match.

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#31744: Sep 8th 2018 at 5:40:34 AM

It doesnt mean that they were all lower than his base strength either, Pikkon in the anime was clearly way above that - but Goku couldn't fuse with him in base or even Super Saiyan; he needed the extremely dangerous Super Saiyan Kaioken to beat him and that's not a form that would be condusive to fusion.

So most of them were waaay too weak but pikkon was waaaay too strong.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#31745: Sep 8th 2018 at 5:43:19 AM

Doesn't Trunks have to suppress his power level slightly to fuse with Goten?

I mean, it's mentioned that Goten and Trunks can fuse because they're so close in power level to begin with, but I thought Trunks still had to handicap himself slightly to get that last bit over the edge. Or under the edge.

Also, maybe there's stronger dead people that didn't keep their bodies.

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#31746: Sep 8th 2018 at 5:52:06 AM

It doesnt mean that they were all lower than his base strength either, Pikkon in the anime was clearly way above that - but Goku couldn't fuse with him in base or even Super Saiyan; he needed the extremely dangerous Super Saiyan Kaioken to beat him and that's not a form that would be condusive to fusion.

So most of them were waaay too weak but pikkon was waaaay too strong.

By the time Goku's saying that nobody is on-par with him, he's achieved Super Saiyan 3. He'd have been able to fuse with Pikkon if Pikkon existed in the manga.

Since the Kaioken is a x2 multiplier, Super Kaioken (x2 Super Saiyan) would have been equal in power to Super Saiyan 2. Which, by the time Goku was saying this, he was also capable of reaching.

Since Super Saiyan 2 Goku is roughly equal in strength to Pikkon and Goku is saying that nobody is on-par to fuse with, it's unlikely that he's thinking of Pikkon being too strong.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 8th 2018 at 6:53:40 AM

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#31747: Sep 8th 2018 at 7:43:10 AM

Which is a little weird because suppressing one's power is a thing, just like flaring it is, but eh.

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#31748: Sep 8th 2018 at 7:48:24 AM

[up][up][up] He does. Trunks is a bit stronger than Goten.

One thing people forget about the Fusion Dance is that you not only have to be of similar power but also height. For all we know, there's someone in the afterlife who's way stronger than even Beerus but they're about the size of a mouse so fusing with them wasn't an option.

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#31750: Sep 8th 2018 at 8:20:54 AM

Didn't they say that they're having Trunks going back to the future as its own pseudo-special?

I don't think there's enough material there for a special. Interesting.

I do feel like they went a bit too fast with Cell going from glee to "fuck it!".

And here I thought it was just me.

Edited by Soble on Sep 8th 2018 at 8:22:21 AM

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