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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#31551: Sep 5th 2018 at 7:39:15 PM

Buu Saga is in a limbo state until further notice.

Personally, i want it to see the Broly movies abridged

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31552: Sep 5th 2018 at 7:40:36 PM

I thought we already established that, yes, they weren't sure if they were doing Buu before the hiatus, but now they are.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#31553: Sep 5th 2018 at 7:41:12 PM

Well TFS has stated Second Coming is an excuse plot so their might not be too much material to work with.

Bio-Broly though has a lot of potential.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31554: Sep 5th 2018 at 7:42:24 PM

I feel like they're going to try to revive 16 with Shenron only to get "doesn't have a soul to revive lol".

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#31555: Sep 5th 2018 at 7:43:51 PM

I mean, he's a robutt. So he can't be revived anyway.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#31556: Sep 5th 2018 at 7:48:01 PM

But he can be rebuilt right?

I recall that Dragon Ball Online mentioned that 16 was indeed revived by the dragon balls and retired to a life of tranquality in the woods.

But that's hardly canon nowadays

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31557: Sep 5th 2018 at 8:02:28 PM

Canon means nothing to our lord and God Toriyama.

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#31558: Sep 5th 2018 at 9:00:29 PM

Dragon Ball is actually incredibly consistent. While it's a well-known fact that Toriyama didn't plan for much of anything and was just making stuff up as he went, you wouldn't be able to tell when reading the manga due to how tight everything is.

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#31560: Sep 5th 2018 at 9:14:45 PM

I'll grant you that the Boo Saga is the weakest one in terms of continuity but that's just one part of the manga.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#31561: Sep 5th 2018 at 9:15:26 PM

Boo Saga is really consistent, I agree.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31562: Sep 5th 2018 at 9:44:09 PM

He's very consistent provided he doesn't change his mind on something, or just go with a plot without caring how much sense it makes.

...Ok, that's not actually sarcasm, but it came out more so than I intended. I admit I'm noticing more and more how solid things are. While there are some bumps where he fudges things to go where he wants them to go, Toriyama is solid in his continuity 90% of the time.

It's still impressive that he managed that on a weekly manga schedule while (often deliberately) putting things off until the last minute.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#31563: Sep 6th 2018 at 2:23:50 AM

Honestly, considering how forgetful he's openly admitted to being, it's probably surprising a lot of Super's nonsense turned out as well as it did considering the decade gap.

...God I'm still pissed about the Potara having a time limit.

Honestly, I wish Kibito Kai was still Kibito Kai instead of Shin.

Have Shin be the dominant personality, sure.

Like. Why doesn't Elder Kai unfuse from that Witch.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#31564: Sep 6th 2018 at 3:59:02 AM

Well, Vegito was clearly more similar to Gotenks than to Kibitoshin (a composite, rather than the Kaioshin with some added attributes), and he did defuse. Having the Potara work differently if not used the way they were meant (fusing a lesser being into a Kaioshin), and the Elder Kai not knowing that because they were NEVER used to fuse 2 equals, is quite satisfactory to me. Far more than Vegito randomly defusing without proper explanation.

For Vegito Blue, I'd remove the shortened time limit, and gone somewhat the way of the manga: Overpowers Merged Zamasu and, while not being able to destroy him due to his inmortality, outlasts him, but then both Black and Zamasu turn each into a copy of Merged, Vegito defuses, and cue things playing out the way they did in the manga.

Anyway, seeing Nappa is alive and kicking in Abridged canon, I may expect something to happen to 16. Maybe have Krillin's bomb-removal wish turn into one to reconstruct 16.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31565: Sep 6th 2018 at 4:15:47 AM

[up][up] Yeah, Kibitoshin splitting is really annoying. Like, they haven't even used Kibito for anything (although the manga gets a legit funny joke with him).

What's more, they retconned Kai Kai (Kibito's ability to teleport anywhere) into being one of Shin's abilities, making Kibito even more pointless... if they wanted Shin to be the Kai Kai guy guy, they should've kept him fused. And then he'd have healing powers to boot, so maybe they could use him for more than just a glorified taxi.

Instead of giving potara a time limit, I'd just introduce a reason why it can't be re-used. Because now that it has a time limit, it's actually more of an option than before as there is absolutely no downside. Even though the current excuse is that Goku and Vegeta wouldn't go for that, that completely ignores that Goku regretted breaking the potara when he realized that Kid Boo was stronger than he thought, so he doesn't operate under any rule of only using it against fused opponents or not wanting to do it no matter what.

And when it has been established that Goku and Vegeta will fuse if the stakes are high enough, that makes it hard to build up the threat of any enemy you don't when them to fuse against. If you continue to make each threat out to be bigger than the last without taking this into account, you're left with the situation where there is absolutely no underlying reason why Goku and Vegeta sometimes fuse and sometimes don't.

Edited by Saiga on Sep 6th 2018 at 9:28:30 PM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31566: Sep 6th 2018 at 4:43:07 AM

What's more, they retconned Kai Kai (Kibito's ability to teleport anywhere) into being one of Shin's abilities, making Kibito even more pointless... if they wanted Shin to be the Kai Kai guy guy, they should've kept him fused. And then he'd have healing powers to boot, so maybe they could use him for more than just a glorified taxi.

I could have sworn the Z anime already went with the interpretation of Supreme Kai being able to use Kai Kai.

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#31567: Sep 6th 2018 at 4:47:52 AM

I prefer Shin's design over Kibitoshin's, so I'm happy they defused. Kibito's just an assistant, he doesn't really need to ever be important, while Shin is fairly important just by virtue of being Beerus' peer.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 6th 2018 at 4:47:29 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31568: Sep 6th 2018 at 5:10:02 AM

[up][up] What makes you say that? Kibito did all the Kai Kai-ing prior to the fusion in Z and when Kibitoshin uses it he describes it as coming from Kibito.

[up] That seems like a fairly shallow reason to prefer it. And it's not that Kibito is unimportant, it's that absolutely nothing important came from defusing them, and he's an unnecessary ancillary character. Keeping them fused would make Shin more useful, be more consistent with the plot, and not add unnecessary characters back in.

That's also a disconnect from your usual insistence that characters need to be used correctly.

Edited by Saiga on Sep 6th 2018 at 10:14:16 PM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31569: Sep 6th 2018 at 5:17:18 AM

I went back to check and in the anime Shin is the one who uses Kai Kai when teleporting Gohan to the World of the Kais.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31570: Sep 6th 2018 at 5:29:55 AM

I'd chalk that up to an error than intentional change, though. Even though it's clear that Shin is directing Kibito to do the teleportation, they have Shin voice the 'Kai Kai!' that Kibito said in the manga. That error would be based off the final panel where it's not clear without context who is speaking.

It doesn't really explain Shin having Kai Kai in both versions of Super, and presumably Toriyama's outline.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31571: Sep 6th 2018 at 5:40:16 AM

Well they didn't fix it in Dragonball Kai, so I assume Shin being able to use it in Dragonball Super is them not seeing it as a mistake, and having him do it because "oh he could always do that" instead of an intentional retcon.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#31572: Sep 6th 2018 at 5:41:12 AM

Question: Wasn't the Potarra time limit something that only applied when one or both users of the earrings weren't gods?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#31573: Sep 6th 2018 at 5:50:17 AM

I'd chalk that up to an error than intentional change, though.

Or rather, it isn't as big of a deal as you are making it to be. Because so far, the one thing that is being contradicted is your inner narrative.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31574: Sep 6th 2018 at 6:04:35 AM

I'm not making it to be a big deal, that seems needlessly aggressive.

That scene wouldn't change what the manga did, or that both versions have Shin say that it's Kibito's ability. So no, it's not my inner narrative, and I wish you would stop accusing people of that.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#31575: Sep 6th 2018 at 6:12:35 AM

I mean, Shin and Kibito are both pretty meh characters so I'd wager that they just flat out forgot that Shin can't teleport.

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