Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 3rd 2018 at 7:53:08 AM
Discussion about how smart Piccoro is?
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I don't see the connection...or why it matters that TFS changed it.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice."And Piccolo wasn't clear what his intention was, he just said he'd fight them and jumped at the first opportunity to. It's still not the best idea to suggest straight up, especially when he wasn't sure he could win.
If that was truly his intent, he has nothing to lose to leave fighting them as a last resort. That just means buying more time. So no, not taking the gamble with the best rewards - it wasn't until after he'd settled on that that he saw an opportunity - but instead immediately escalating things to the last resort. And that's why it can easily be argued to be stupid, the alternatives carried no risk worse than the plan he first opted for.
What trail of destruction? They'd only done damage in a few spread out locations that Cell had no knowledge of, and were flying around at that point."
Piccolo says that their options for victory are killing either Cell or the Androids before they meet (since he is currently stronger than Cell). This is true. He and Tien actually go after Cell first (because he's alone) but Cell hides his energy; Piccolo doesn't actively pursue the androids until they force a confrontation at Roshi's house, and it is definitely forcing a confrontation because even if they tell them where Goku is or lie the Androids could very well kill them anyway (and no dragonballs, remember), and they can't stand up to a gank from all three with just the people they have. Piccolo tries to buy time by going to fight them alone... and then 17 steps up to bat alone.
Piccolo, in the moment where 17 says he's going to fight alone, has a unique opportunity; even if they let him go if he tells them where Goku is (or lies) Cell might figure out how to track them down or simply stumble across them. If he lets them go the situation goes out of his control. But if he attacks right now, he holds all the cards; 17 doesn't know that he's gotten insanely stronger, killing 17 outright stops Cell's win condition. He could try to stall for longer, but they might very well leave or get angry and gank Piccolo.
There were elements of risk in every action he could have possibly taken. And given that Piccolo was stronger enough than Cell that Cell fled, him estimating his own strength as far enough beyond 17's to get a win outright is actually fairly plausible.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 3rd 2018 at 1:56:26 PM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"This guy does. I've said multiple times that Cooler 2 is my first experience with DBZ, so I won't tolerate anyone mouthing it off, even if it's not up to snuff compared to what came before, or what came after.
See, I'd assume that the fact that 17 felt he even needed a shield indicates that the attack could have killed him, but I'm willing to admit that the inability of 17 to sense power levels (and the fact that Piccolo couldn't sense 17's) means there is some wiggle room on that one. At the least we can say that 17 thought it was enough of a threat to use the barrier.
I'm just gonna say everyone fucks up in the Android / Cell Saga at some point, starting from not attacking Gero from the start.
One Strip! One Strip!Cooler 2 is in a rough spot for me, coming as it does around when DBZ movies really started to stink. It's not utterly forgettable like Android 13, and it doesn't have anything as offensively stupid as Broly's backstory, but the stuff in it is just so obviously phoning it in. Also, it has a contender for the stupidist movie villain kill in the series and that is a very crowded field.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"What if Broccoli hated both Kakarotto and Veggie?
Then would his backstory still be stupid?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Actually if he has some sort of memory of Vegeta because King Vegeta stabbed him... that would at least be plausible. Would make for a Vegeta centric film, and... I might actually be okay with that. I know the many, many Vegeta fans would be as well.
Still doesn't fix the glaring plot hole of him escaping the planet. Honestly they should have had Paragus break out and get on a spaceship with him to escape the Saiyans, only for any pursuit to be destroyed when Freeza blew up the planet.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 3rd 2018 at 4:25:07 PM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"No character is good in Super, except maybe Bulma. (And a couple new additions, like Beerus and Hit).
Vegeta got really tiresome in how long he took to get ringed out. Without his character arc his shtick gets really old as well, sort of the opposite problem to Z where he sort of overshadowed the rest of the cast at times by actually having one.
Goku is worse in Super, don't get me wrong, but they had to turn his most obnoxious traits up to 11. For Vegeta, all they had to do was remove what made him special and I think that's actually more heartbreaking.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 3rd 2018 at 4:28:23 PM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"If Veggie still had his development, he might've been shown to be a better husband in Super...
And makes a Your Mom joke on Trunks.
Like in GT.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Yeah. Vegeta was good at jobbing (since he was allowed to be built up so his failure had purpose), and it made him less insufferable because he got stomped into the ground so frequently.
One Strip! One Strip!What? Vegeta's amazing during the TOP. It's the culmination of everything he's become since Super (and I mean that in a good way before someone gets snarky with me).
Attaining his ultimate power, going beyond SSB, because he wants to protect his family and resurrect Cabba, that was brilliant. Vegeta hasn't been what his fans think he is since the end of the Buu Saga.
All they did was just repeating how much of a family man he is & gave him like 3 last stands.
Plus that new transformation is frankly lame & was completely pointless (his victory over Toppo was bullshit).
He should have been knocked out in the first round against Jiren.
Edited by slimcoder on Sep 3rd 2018 at 11:38:05 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."heckin what man
Like I can't stand transformations in this series but it at least felt earned rather than almost all of them since Gohan going SS 2 against Cell. It felt like him pushing himself over his own limits, rather than just getting handed a new power boost. And while "I got a 1-up from believing in myself" is standard in anime it meant all the more because this is Vegeta we're talking about.
Then again my favourite Vegeta scene of all time is the one in Battle of Gods where he dances to distract Beerus so what I value in Vegeta is pretty clearly different.
It's like his fight against Fat Boo, but less effective.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.

We really can't measure how long Gotenks took, or how long his nap was. The entire thing was within 30 minutes.
You can argue against this being an intelligence feat but it's not possible to argue it as being a moment of stupidity.
I never said anything about fighting without being at full power. Why are you responding to points I'm not making?
And Piccolo wasn't clear what his intention was, he just said he'd fight them and jumped at the first opportunity to. It's still not the best idea to suggest straight up, especially when he wasn't sure he could win.
If that was truly his intent, he has nothing to lose to leave fighting them as a last resort. That just means buying more time. So no, not taking the gamble with the best rewards - it wasn't until after he'd settled on that that he saw an opportunity - but instead immediately escalating things to the last resort. And that's why it can easily be argued to be stupid, the alternatives carried no risk worse than the plan he first opted for.
What trail of destruction? They'd only done damage in a few spread out locations that Cell had no knowledge of, and were flying around at that point.
And no, I wouldn't call it one of the smartest plans in the series, it's just too obvious. I never said that simple means dumb, that is not the argument I am making and I have tried to stress this point repeatedly. This is not a dichotomy where saying it's not smart means I'm calling it dumb.
That doesn't seem like a reasonable assumption, given that Fat Boo was established as being even more destructive without Babidi and then Evil Boo comes and shows that he is even more impatient than Fat Boo was, demanding an immediate fight.
I am not calling him dumb for having a sober mind. Please stop saying that about every point I make where I explicitly clarify that. I am calling him dumb for the consistently dumb things he does (the ones you're not responding to) and the lack of intelligent things to outweigh this.