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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31301: Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:08:25 PM

Well he only starts calling himself a pacifist when Cell calls him out.

So it comes across as more an excuse to justify himself than something he actually is.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#31302: Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:14:21 PM

Yeah, but then 16's speech focused on tearing down the pacifism, as if this was a reoccurring thing that had held him back in the past. The whole thing felt really unearned.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31303: Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:39:35 PM

It's the same issue as the original, from a different angle.

So it doesn't really matter.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#31304: Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:44:09 PM

I mean, 16 was right on the money with the line "you think you're better than everyone else". Gohan has been acting like a bit of a shit for this arc. He's only 11 and he acts like he's smarter and more logical than everyone else. Also, there have been points where Gohan was visibly frustrated with everyone else for fighting and exasperated that of course everything devolves into violence.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#31305: Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:51:28 PM

It should be noted that the same issue is present in the original version; Gohan has to learn a lesson that he really didn't need to learn.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#31306: Sep 2nd 2018 at 7:23:08 PM

Gohan has been acting like a bit of a shit for this arc. He's only 11 and he acts like he's smarter and more logical than everyone else.
To be fair, he's not exactly wrong to think that.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#31307: Sep 2nd 2018 at 7:24:16 PM

[up]

No. No he is not.

Though his hatred of his dad got really crazy in this arc, and it was already growing back in the Frieza Arc.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31308: Sep 2nd 2018 at 7:37:21 PM

Got crazy? It was getting better.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#31309: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:11:25 PM

I like how Goku's "master plan" ties into Goku's remark from episode 48.

Piccolo: And we don't have anyone with the strength to stop him!

Popo: Your Worthless maggot Friends are coming out!

Gohan: Or do we!

Goku: No Gohan, we haven't gone in yet.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#31310: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:14:17 PM

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Hah![lol]

I guess Goku had this in mind for a long time.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31311: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:19:22 PM

I feel like since they explicitly had Goku do this to prepare Gohan for possible future dangers after he's gone, the whole "Gohan doesn't like fighting!" realization shouldn't even matter.

Like, who gives a shit if he gets excited about it like Goku does if the literal fate of the world is at stake?

And that's kind of always been there even in the original, but I feel like this exasperates it.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 2nd 2018 at 10:20:07 AM

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#31312: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:23:05 PM

That's Piccolo's rationalization, who in canon and in Abridged is an overprotective dad in contrast to Goku.

Goku's right that Earth needs a protector other than him. Piccolo is right that forcing an eleven year old to fight a soul eating chimera with the fate of the Earth at stake while his dad stands on the sideline watching him getting punched in the face is also maybe a bad idea.

The problem is that they added "Gohan is an egotist" on top of the natural conflict existing in canon that Gohan fears his anger and his need to overcome that.

Edited by Mr.Badguy on Sep 2nd 2018 at 11:23:26 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#31313: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:24:08 PM

I feel like the point, mainly in this version, is that Goku never bothered to see if Gohan was actually ok with being his successor and just kind of thrusted him into the role. Had Goku talked about it with Gohan beforehand, I'm pretty sure Gohan wouldn't be so adverse to fighting Cell here.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31314: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:25:45 PM

Though Gohan does go along with it sorta.

He never strongly voices his opinions so Goku just rolls with it as a yes.

Doesn’t help Goku’s been doing this since he was Gohan’s age so he thinks this is natural.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31315: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:26:03 PM

Kind of another elephant in the room I think is these people being concerned about Gohan's age, as if age has ever meant anything in the series.

And you could say that's another issue, but there it is.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 2nd 2018 at 10:32:01 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31316: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:33:02 PM

Wasn’t Piccolo the one who forced Gohan into this life?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#31317: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:34:19 PM

Yea, but that's whole other can of worms.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31319: Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:06:55 PM

Piccoro's an over protective daddy in canon?

I'd like to see that.

If only it were true.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31320: Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:09:58 PM

Huh, I missed that. Yeah, that's something that people project onto Piccolo (mostly because of this moment, actually) but it doesn't have a lot supporting it outside of this.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 2nd 2018 at 11:10:16 AM

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#31321: Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:11:02 PM

Well he's a hell of a lot more doting than Goku anyway.

Or maybe I've just been taken in by memes.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31322: Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:11:56 PM

You have indeed been taken by those things.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#31323: Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:12:44 PM

Well he’s Pan’s babysitter for one.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:14:47 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31324: Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:13:11 PM

He's really not doting either.

He has a softer spot for Gohan than he does most other people, but the two of them really didn't spend a lot of time together outside of crisis and fighting, and for a lot of that Goku was there too.

That is, until Super, but Super has no problem going with fan interpretations of things, outside of what was actually shown.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 2nd 2018 at 11:13:06 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31325: Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:30:36 PM

From the Buu saga

Piccolo: I'm sorry about Gohan by the way. When you get back to otherworld please tell him how proud I am of him.

Goku: Sure thing. If I know my son what he'll regret most about losing to Buu is not being able to see you anymore. You know, Gohan always looked up to you. Thought the world of you.


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