Which is fine enough...if only they changed more.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.You mean like when multiple people were upset at Gohan and called him a pacifist and a coward for not fighting, literally when he was fighting Cell? 16 even tells Gohan to get off his pacifistic high-horse, even though Gohan has never in his life ascribed to any pacifistic philosophy. He's never said, "fighting is wrong" or "we can solve this problem without fighting" or "violence never solves anything." He's out there getting punched in the face repeatedly, trying to save the Earth, and everyone is acting like he's refusing to do the exact thing he is doing at that moment.
Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 2nd 2018 at 1:46:39 PM
Yeah while I did like the episode (the finale is absolutely wicked), Cell and 16's criticism of Gohan kind of falls flat because we're supposed to take them both at full value. When Cell gets disgusted at seeing an eleven year old boy cry in the face of violence, we're supposed to be upset with Gohan. 16 specially is just, like I know there are different characterizations in this series, but 16 and Gohan bonded there over their mutual hatred of violence. Here 16's just being another asshole on top of Cell.
It felt to me more like TFS was trying to knock Gohan down a peg after all the complaints they got, rather than it being a part of a natural character arc. If the intent was that Gohan knows he can fight but refuses to out of cowardice rather than a genuine hatred of violence and fear of what he becomes when he snaps, then that should have been broadcast better.
Edited by Mr.Badguy on Sep 2nd 2018 at 3:56:18 PM
Gohan and 16 never bonded. I'm pretty sure 16's last minute pep talk is the only time they ever actually spoke to one another.
I always feel like people miss the point of that scene; it's not that 16 was especially close to Gohan, it's that 16 died and that was all that matter. Going they had a "bond" detracts from the moment, because the moment is about how Gohan is a good enough person that he doesn't need a special bond to feel the way he did.
I assume this apparent cowardice is why he wasn't on the list.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.He's a coward too...but he looks cool while doing it.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Yamcha's afraid, but he still ran down that street when he heard people yelling (and got a hand through his stomach for his trouble). Being afraid doesn't make you a coward, being ruled by your fear does.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:52:15 AM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"To paraphrase the Doctor, bravery isn't never being scared, is being scared and acting anyway.
Which is what Gohan was doing right until that moment.
I thought it was kind of off too. Like most of the episode continued from the series then the last part suddenly used footage from an alternate universe where T 4 S played up Gohan's aversion to violence to extreme levels.
Edited by Novis on Sep 2nd 2018 at 3:10:24 AM
You say I am loved, when I don’t feel a thing. You say I am strong, when I think I am weak. You say I am held, when I am falling short.Like, I do understand that Gohan should be giving a lot better than he is then in that fight. (Cell is just batting him around when I don't think the difference should be that much). But it's not like he never tried in previous ones, after his resolve stiffens in the Nappa fight he routinely takes on some of the hardest jobs intentionally, sometimes basically throwing himself into harm's way.
I feel like 16's speech should have been building him up a bit more rather than tearing into him as well.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 2nd 2018 at 9:13:21 AM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Well the only time he tried doing anything is when Cell said he'd hurt Piccoro...
He was suppose to build up an aversion to fighting?
Truth Speakers.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Yeah 16's speech could have been done better, but I do like that Goku seemed to have a plan which considering he loves a challenge I am surprised he assumed that his son would love a good fight.
So the episode was pretty good overall with somethings being just okay.
"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - DorthyWere people interpreting Abridged 16 as a pacifist too? It doesn't seem like he really ever showed that.
Edited by randomness4 on Sep 2nd 2018 at 4:34:22 AM
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.

The jokes that were there I felt were funny enough on their own. At this point, yea it's clear we've beyond "parody" territory and it's just their own fanfic version of the series.
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