I... really didn't like how they handled the transformation. The music is a really cool touch, and Masako screams his soul out through his mouth, but... it takes a lot of "Oomph" out of the moment when everything leading up to it has heroes and villain alike telling Gohan he's a cowardly little piece of shit that needs to get over himself and grow a set of balls, and he's literally crying his eyes out telling them to stop being mean to him, like a baby.
In the end, the moment is still only cool because the canon version, where it was done well, was cool the first time, and it's living off residual coolness.
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Don't squander it.
Kin.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Well, Sharknado went to Reddit to insult Kaiser when episode 59 dropped, so this comes of as he liking it.
Still, who knew an abridged parody would work on elements on the original? It is as if it isn't the entire foundation of the genre.
BTW, calling Gohan (who was stronger than Goku before even going 2) out on his passive attitude, where back in Namek he assaulted fucking Freeza after he harmed Krillin and Piccolo, is quite called upon.
The funny thing about watching this Is that cell games was the last part of DB I ever read, and I never saw the anime version, plus it's one of my least favorite parts of Dragonball because of how SS 2 Gohan is the source of most of my problems with Dragon Ball and it's fandom. But I've been loving the TFS take on cell saga so watching them take on a scene that I really hated was weird.
If long term consequences are a thing, you still have to figure out how Universe 7 handles the Tournament of Power in Dragonball Super without Androids 17 and 18. But other than that, it is manageable.
Gohan doesn't lose, so much as he f*cks it up and gets people killed. There's this thing about Super Saiyans; it puts a Saiyan more in-touch with their natural battle lust. They become more aggressive and more cruel. With training and experience, they can resist the psychological effects, but that initial transformation is a doozy.
Gohan...let's just say he makes some mistakes due to that sudden surge of ruthless brutality and sadistic cruelty.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 1st 2018 at 8:23:08 AM
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Well, they're not wrong.
While TFS are clearly prepping for Goku getting the job of chief menace-stomper back from Gohan in the Buu Saga by having Piccolo point out how Gohan hates fighting... Gohan actually didn't hate fighting in the original Saiyan, Freeza and Cell arcs, it's more that he wasn't naturally predisposed to it and he was definitely not naturally disposed to hurting people (after Piccolo gets him accustomed to training Gohan doesn't come across as disliking training per se). So him becoming this slacker note isn't wholly congruous with what came before.
More to the point, after such a distinctive handing-over-the-torch moment it feels really unnatural to drag Goku back into the pole position. You can get used to the development, but it will never feel natural, even discounting how the Buu Saga keeps building up new powerups and developments only for them to fail note
After all, what is Gohan's character arc? He starts as a naive child, usually powerless to protect himself from the villains around him. He gets random rage boosts sometimes and often manages to contribute in a minor role that highlights his growing determination, till he gets his chance to shine, to inherit his father's position... and then he just sort of stops being important.
Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 1st 2018 at 2:28:13 PM
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Oh, rest assured. Somebody pays for this.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Cell would still be a problem, but the Room of Spirit and Time would still exist, as would Piccolo's ability to merge with God. What would not exist, however, are Androids 17 and 18. He'd have crippled himself to escape a future that doesn't have them, only to arrive in a past that still doesn't have them.
So it wouldn't exactly be hard for Goku, Vegeta, and/or Piccolo to clean house on Permanently Imperfect Cell.
That just leaves Majin Buu. The fact that the battle powers on Earth are nowhere near what Babidi needs to awaken Buu because no one ever had to deal with Perfect Cell means that Kaioshin has far more time to figure out a solution while Babidi's floating around trying to figure out how to scrape enough ki out of Yamcha.
So. Like. There's still work to do after aborting the Androids, but unlike "Suddenly Androids happen", it's actually pretty manageable.
I think you're the first person to actually suggest that it might have been possible to avoid the events of not just a specific arc, but a following one. Then again, you're doing it late in the game, where as most other stories try and do it at earlier points in the story (ala Red Ribbon, or the first arc) where while it seems like there's far more wiggle room, one you reach Raditz (or if they somehow survive Raditz, Vegeta), there's pretty much no hope at all. In fact, it's essentially Raditz, Vegeta and Frieza where they need the huge jumps they get, but with Gero, the training wasn't necessary. There was a way to actually stop him and they deliberately didn't take it.
One Strip! One Strip!One thing though: Aren't the Androids as powerful as they are precisely because Vegeta and Freeza came to Earth? Or, at least, Vegeta in Abridged canon. If Vegeta never comes to Earth (because the Dragon stopped them en route) then there's no reason to care about Freeza or go to Namek either.
Negative consequences-wise, that means the Namekians are screwed, but the Androids aren't going to be nearly the threat they would have been otherwise. Flip side, it's entirely possible the Androids are impossible to beat without Future Trunks' interference, which can't happen without Vegeta.
Indeed. And Buu flips those jumps on their head. The only reason reviving Majin Buu is even feasible is because they all trained so hard to become Cell-stomping Super Saiyans. If nobody's powerful enough to make Dabura look like an impotent child, then Buu doesn't get to wake up.
That leaves Babidi with Dabura under his control, but he has tunnel vision. Babidi has his heart set on Majin Buu and is unwilling to compromise. He explicitly sees Dabura and the others as stepping stones towards awakening Buu.
One wonders what would happen if Babidi is killed and Buu's pod destroyed without defeating Dabura first. 50/50 odds he either goes home or sticks around to kill people for lulz, since we have literally no idea what his personality is like outside of Babidi's mind control. There is a chance in such a chain of events that Dabura becomes the ultimate final battle.
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Is there an unofficial archive on youtube somewhere? I need some DBZ background noise while I play Xenoverse 2.