"But it's also a big assumption to say that Raditz was just a brute and only relied on Oozaru. "
I'm going to assume that Raditz is technically improficient on a basic level because he never even bothered to train his tail out of being a weak point, something that Goku at <200 power did and something that he had to know about since both Vegeta and Nappa's tails were trained.
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That's one skill he lacked, but things are not so linear that you can extrapolate to being less skilled than teen Goku. We don't even know if that possibility was common knowledge among the non-elites.
Conversely, Goku/Gohan never learned to control their Oozaru forms, despite that apparently being a common skill.
And Raditz had his own back up, he could cut off his tail (though only as a last resort).
I always wondered about that planet that Raditz thought they might need a fourth Saiyan for. I always liked the theory that the planet Nappa and Vegeta had just destroyed was that planet, and they just sent Raditz to get his kid brother so he wouldn't be in their way, with an excuse that he'd buy. It seems odd that Kakarot or Raditz would really make that much of a difference. Oozaru Raditz is weaker than base Vegeta, and if Kakarot hadn't trained, his Oozaru would be weaker than base Raditz.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 24th 2018 at 4:12:22 AM
There's something I need to correct.
Goku didn't overtake Raditz after spending a year with Kaiou-sama training under 10g, he did it after five months. It took him half a year to reach Kaiou's planet and then Vegeta and Nappa arrived a month early.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!It's definitely not age, due to the Vegeta example. Goku and Gohan were both pretty young when we saw their tails stop growing back.
Goku was also weak, but we know through a flashback that God permanently removed his tail to prevent Oozaru mishaps.
But for Vegeta and Gohan, they stop growing their tails back when they into the hundreds of thousands of battle power in the Namek arc.
And Goten, Trunks and the U 6 Saiyans were all born without tails, and they're all way past that threshold of power.
Out of universe reason is obviously that Toriyama didn't want the tails in the story, but it's all justified in-universe even if it was done in an adhoc way.
I think the issue is more about Oozaru than the tails themselves.
Edited by Saiga on Jul 24th 2018 at 10:11:06 PM
Usually they're all knocked out by the end...
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