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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#31026: Jul 24th 2018 at 1:06:02 PM

Yup. Sayains are strong because they come from a planet with 10x Earth's gravity. Not that they LIVE on the planet, since Freeza blew it up.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#31027: Jul 24th 2018 at 2:45:30 PM

"But it's also a big assumption to say that Raditz was just a brute and only relied on Oozaru. "

I'm going to assume that Raditz is technically improficient on a basic level because he never even bothered to train his tail out of being a weak point, something that Goku at <200 power did and something that he had to know about since both Vegeta and Nappa's tails were trained.

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Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#31028: Jul 24th 2018 at 2:49:59 PM

Actually its implied that Raditz did know to do it. So I guess he was just caught off guard the first time.

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#31029: Jul 24th 2018 at 2:59:46 PM

Not all aliens don't train. Don't the Ginyu Force work out, or is it all just pose practice?

I think I recall Ginyu recognizing the earthlings using power-gathering techniques that the random fruit salad grunts on the Freeza Force didn't.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#31030: Jul 24th 2018 at 3:10:48 PM

"Actually its implied that Raditz did know to do it."

You either don't have it as a weak point anymore or you do. Raditz does. His guard being down doesn't change anything.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31031: Jul 24th 2018 at 3:56:45 PM

[up][up][up][up] That's one skill he lacked, but things are not so linear that you can extrapolate to being less skilled than teen Goku. We don't even know if that possibility was common knowledge among the non-elites.

Conversely, Goku/Gohan never learned to control their Oozaru forms, despite that apparently being a common skill.

And Raditz had his own back up, he could cut off his tail (though only as a last resort).

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#31032: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:06:42 PM

Cutting off your own tail seems like a really extreme option for a non-super Saiyan, considering the relative strength of the Oozaru form at that level. Last resort indeed.

...unless the Freeza Force could regenerate tails with those fancy medical pods.

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#31033: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:12:02 PM

I always wondered about that planet that Raditz thought they might need a fourth Saiyan for. I always liked the theory that the planet Nappa and Vegeta had just destroyed was that planet, and they just sent Raditz to get his kid brother so he wouldn't be in their way, with an excuse that he'd buy. It seems odd that Kakarot or Raditz would really make that much of a difference. Oozaru Raditz is weaker than base Vegeta, and if Kakarot hadn't trained, his Oozaru would be weaker than base Raditz.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 24th 2018 at 4:12:22 AM

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#31034: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:14:39 PM

[up][up] Saiyan tails grow back, unless the Saiyan grows too strong for it.

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#31035: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:18:36 PM

That's how it works? I guess I assumed it was an age thing.

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#31036: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:24:52 PM

There's something I need to correct.

Goku didn't overtake Raditz after spending a year with Kaiou-sama training under 10g, he did it after five months. It took him half a year to reach Kaiou's planet and then Vegeta and Nappa arrived a month early.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31037: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:49:30 PM

No no, saiyans can grow their tails back unless Toriyama decides they're a dumb idea and wants to write them out of the story. I mean, Vegeta did say his tail was going to grow back but then Bam! Dumb idea, let's forget all about it!

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#31038: Jul 24th 2018 at 4:49:41 PM

I think Saiyan tails stop growing back after a certain age. Except for Goten and Trunks, who apparently never had tails? We'd probably know this stuff for sure if Toriyama was consistent.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#31039: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:00:34 PM

He is consistent. He hates drawing tails. He's eliminated them fast as possible and Nappa and Vegeta had theirs as basically belts for their Saiyan Saga fights.

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#31040: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:10:11 PM

If he hates drawing tails, why do most of Frieza's forms and Cell have them?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31041: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:10:28 PM

It's definitely not age, due to the Vegeta example. Goku and Gohan were both pretty young when we saw their tails stop growing back.

Goku was also weak, but we know through a flashback that God permanently removed his tail to prevent Oozaru mishaps.

But for Vegeta and Gohan, they stop growing their tails back when they into the hundreds of thousands of battle power in the Namek arc.

And Goten, Trunks and the U 6 Saiyans were all born without tails, and they're all way past that threshold of power.

Out of universe reason is obviously that Toriyama didn't want the tails in the story, but it's all justified in-universe even if it was done in an adhoc way.

[up] I think the issue is more about Oozaru than the tails themselves.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 24th 2018 at 10:11:06 PM

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#31042: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:14:09 PM

Freeza had his tail cut off multiple times and Cell's tail retracted into himself.

It's like Araki and dogs.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31043: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:21:39 PM

This is why Super Sayian 4 is never going to be canon.

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#31044: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:39:33 PM

About that....

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#31045: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:49:00 PM

That's DB Heroes. Doesn't count.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#31046: Jul 24th 2018 at 5:49:42 PM

Yeah it’s not something Toriyama’s involved in.

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#31047: Jul 24th 2018 at 9:15:15 PM

Honestly, I was surprised that there even were Saiyan tails in the Broly trailer. I wasn't expecting Paragus or the Saiyan babies to have them.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31048: Jul 24th 2018 at 10:44:43 PM

After watching the original Broly movie, I really appreciate how Team Four Star completely cut out the "Vegeta give me your energy already you selfish fuck" sequence for their version.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31049: Jul 24th 2018 at 10:47:46 PM

It was nice how everyone was just so done with the situation. More so than with any of the other terrible movie villains.

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#31050: Jul 25th 2018 at 12:03:35 AM

Usually they're all knocked out by the end...

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