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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#3076: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:03:27 PM

I thought that Krillin's status as the strongest human was a point of contention. Like, it's either Krillin or Tien that's the strongest, and that's given, but who exactly it is between those two isn't completely clear.

Huh. I could have sworn the Tri Beam (question, am I being annoying by using dub terms for stuff like this?) was causing appreciable pain to second-form Cell, albeit at a pace that Tien really couldn't maintain. Like, I thought the point of that sequence was that the Tri-Beam was doing damage far beyond what someone at Tien's level should be doing normally, but that was because it was drawing on Tien's life force in a manner that was actively killing him.

edited 4th Feb '13 9:05:04 PM by Enlong

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#3077: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:04:42 PM

Nope, outright stated time and time again that Kuririn is the strongest, Tenshinhan fanboys just won't let it rest is all. Kind of like Yamcha's cheating: even Word of God won't convince some fans.

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#3078: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:06:43 PM

Sorry. I legitimately didn't know.

I suppose it was Super Kami Guru's little gift to Krillin that let him leapfrog Tien? Because I think he was decidedly below him before Z.

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#3079: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:07:06 PM

What people can and can't No-Sell in this series isn't consistent in the least.

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#3080: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:08:17 PM

You know what could have been interesting? If everyone who knew the Solar Flare used it as often as they should (that is, all the time), and eventually there was introduced an enemy that was blind by nature and sensed them in other ways.

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#3081: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:10:58 PM

Oh and I don't know what the anime did with that scene but Cell was completely undamaged in the manga (but extremely pissed off).

But yeah, it was the power unlocking that put Kuririn in the front.

edited 4th Feb '13 9:11:21 PM by Saiga

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#3082: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:13:47 PM

Anyway, I liked that particular What If scenario, just for the sheer absurdity of it.

I sort of enjoy What Ifs in general, like some of the ones in Supersonic Warriors.

edited 4th Feb '13 9:14:32 PM by Enlong

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#3083: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:15:50 PM

I like what-ifs (Budokai 3 has a few good ones), but I hate the bad ones xD

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#3084: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:19:55 PM

I watched one from Raging Blast 1 that was Vegeta as an SSJ 3 taking on all other SSJ 3's. Which isn't that bad, fighting Gotenks and Goku, but of course hilariously enough, they also have Broly SSJ 3 in there, which just feels so awkwardly out-of-place for Broly to inexplicably respond from out of nowhere, with his usual limited vocabulary, to Vegeta's challenge and for Vegeta to take it in stride as if he and Broly are old friends. It was funny.

edited 4th Feb '13 9:20:05 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#3085: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:20:54 PM

The Frieza one in Budokai 1 is a bit uninspired, compared to the hilarity of the Cell or Hercule ones. The Vegeta one is interesting, if only because I find it kind of hilarious in a dumb way that being reminded of Nappa's death (sorry, murder at Vegeta's hands) makes him angry enough to go super Saiyan.

I enjoy the Supersonic Warriors What If for Krillin (Krillin defeating Buu), Piccolo (Reviving and merging with his dad to get more power for Buu), and Gero (the moral is that Dr. Gero sucks)

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#3086: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:21:09 PM

That's one that should be annoying (Vegeta being the strongest Super Saiyan 3 just because) but they play it for laughs so it's utterly amazing.

[up] I dislike the what ifs that are "underdog gets powerful because LOLPopular"

Vegeta's what if is a parody of the "You mean Kuririn?!" scene that's quite iconic among Japanese fans.

edited 4th Feb '13 9:22:40 PM by Saiga

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#3087: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:27:43 PM

Well, they do try to do some explanation, like Krillin training with Goku in Otherworld to get stronger, or Piccolo reviving the Demon King to get more power, but yeah.

Oh, and then there's the bizarre Gotenks story that involves copious amounts of time travel.

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#3088: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:34:51 PM

Even so, it's bullshit justifications. Could base Goku achieve what Kuririn did? No, he couldn't. And he was much more powerful.

Piccolo's doesn't make sense because he is the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao and reincarnation doesn't work like that, and the nameless Namekian was never THAT strong. Not as bad as SSW2, which is the game creators wanking him so hard they did it during other people's what ifs.

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#3089: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:38:31 PM

How about a What If where Android 13 fights and loses to Goku, ends up conflicting with Android 16 while trying to hunt him down, and then from being in contact with the peaceful Android 16 ultimately pulls a Heel–Face Turn at the Cell Games, tries to fight Cell alongside 16, and after their defeat absorbs the destroyed 16's parts to become Super 13 (With more power than he would have had from 14 and 15, or something) and fight Cell?

edited 4th Feb '13 9:39:36 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#3090: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:56:41 PM

Sounds good, except I don't really buy that 13 could go good so easily.tongue

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#3091: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:06:53 PM

I had more to it than that. I just listed the actual battles and not little cutscenes. Mainly not so much out of a change of heart but of a realization that 16 is able to go against his programming in spite of 13's remarks about free will.

edited 4th Feb '13 10:07:27 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#3092: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:14:45 PM

How could they wank him if he doesn't have any junk?

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#3093: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:16:36 PM

WEEEE DON'T EVEN HAAAAVE THOOOOOSEEEEE!!!!

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#3095: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:40:54 PM

"C'mon, y'all, lend me your power! Woohoo! Off you go!"

edited 4th Feb '13 10:41:10 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#3096: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:45:15 PM

Reincarnation? I thought he was just a genetically similar offspring.

Though that dos confuse the manner of Kami's apparent psychic life-link with him.

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#3097: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:49:57 PM

The reincarnation is the only reason he has that link in the first place, otherwise God would have died with Daimao.

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#3098: Feb 5th 2013 at 2:35:10 AM

How about that one scenario where 16 is sent back in time and fights 8 and kid Goku, but can't beat either of them because of his "heart"? I found that a bit... sappy.

Come to think of it, what was the deal with 16? He was fully mechanical, but he still had a conscience or something?

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#3100: Feb 5th 2013 at 3:42:41 AM

Tiens Tribeam might have done a bit more damage had he been able to use it with both hands

and/or fire it off at close range like he initially intended to do, before Picollo and Krillin suckerpunched Nappah


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