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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#30876: Jul 16th 2018 at 9:50:06 AM

  • Piccolo - Became the Grillmaster.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#30877: Jul 16th 2018 at 10:22:52 PM

I think this is the first time that the henchmen outlived the big bad then.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#30878: Jul 16th 2018 at 10:24:45 PM

In a way Cell’s still alive since the Jrs are his direct progeny after all.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30879: Jul 17th 2018 at 7:10:39 AM

Maybe one of them will even grow into a full Cell proper too. Still, he's the only one who has to settle for a legacy rather than full on coming back. A testament to Toriyama not wanting to draw him anymore I suppose.

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#30880: Jul 17th 2018 at 7:30:34 AM

One could make the argument that the version of Buu hanging around isn't really the same as the main Buu.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30881: Jul 17th 2018 at 8:10:49 AM

The previous conversation made me decide to look up Goku vs Cooler and

1. Oh my god that music.

2. Cooler popping out of the Kamehameha and punching Goku is very cool.

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#30882: Jul 17th 2018 at 5:01:16 PM

How long until Masako does a serious "What if Cell was good?"

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#30883: Jul 17th 2018 at 6:54:40 PM

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#30884: Jul 17th 2018 at 7:09:22 PM

Oh. I figured that was another joke one.

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#30885: Jul 18th 2018 at 7:30:04 AM

I've often said that Cell turning...not Good, per ce, but Neutral would not be much of a stretch. He ran out of character motivation after he absorbed Androids 17 and 18, leaving Toriyama to figure out something to do with the guy.

Cell won. He achieved Perfection. He completed everything he set out to do. Nobody stopped him. But it's kind of an awkward place to put a punctuation mark, given the trail of bodies behind him. "Well, we're done here. Time to pack it in, everybody! Good game!" would be a really unsatisfying resolution.

Then again, it's not like a trail of bodies has ever stopped anyone else from changing sides. This very arc sees the protagonists helping "Death Toll in the Billions" Vegeta power up so he can stop "Ate Some Cities" Cell from devouring the murderous androids that want Goku's head.

Basically, Cell could have done literally anything at that point and it would have been believable, because his entire motive had reached its conclusion and all he had left was a generic desire to prove how big his dick is. And that describes basically every other character in the cast.

And also a sadistic streak, which still describes a lot of characters in the cast at some point in their journey.

Point is, Cell being like, "Suddenly there's aliens attacking! I'm going to defeat these aliens before Goku can and prove how awesome my Perfect Form is!" or some shit would actually be more believable than Vegeta or f*cking Frieza changing sides. Cell, at this point, didn't actually want anything. His Want List had run completely dry. The Cell Games were just about a generic desire to prove his strength against Goku, a desire shared by literally every single friend Goku has that isn't named Bulma.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 18th 2018 at 8:32:50 AM

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30886: Jul 18th 2018 at 8:42:59 AM

You've hit the nail on the head.

Basically, whereas it's hard to buy the gang sparing Freeza because A. the people he killed that didn't come back were a lot more personally important to Vegeta and B. it's hard to buy Freeza not plotting against them yet again.

But Cell... well, I guess Android 16 didn't come back. But they barely knew him. And it's easier to buy Cell moving into the role of a smug rival rather than Freeza, since Cell's ambitions are solely power related compared to Freeza's which were of conquest. Freeza wants to be powerful so he can hurt people and rule them, not for its own sake. Cell wants to be powerful for its own sake.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30887: Jul 18th 2018 at 9:59:27 AM

Yeah, but Freeza is easier to draw, so Cell gets the short end of the stick.

Toriyama just seems to like him more, so he comes back and Cell is a footnote.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30888: Jul 18th 2018 at 10:01:27 AM

Like, Freeza was definitely a better character. Cell is basically just a Generic Doomsday Villain and unlike Buu doesn't have anything really unique about him.

But this is the chance to take a subpar villain and *make* him better. Look at Piccolo. Is anyone pining for the days of "Majunior?"

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30889: Jul 18th 2018 at 11:42:45 AM

I mean, you could do that with Cell, but that doesn't mean it's bad to not have done that.

Freeza wants to be powerful so he can hurt people and rule them, not for its own sake. Cell wants to be powerful for its own sake.

Why is Freiza's sadism more believable and understandable than Cell's sadism?

Edited by LSBK on Jul 18th 2018 at 1:45:47 PM

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30890: Jul 18th 2018 at 11:45:58 AM

Well, I think it's bad to choose Freeza instead of him as an older villain to bring back. That's the point I'm making.

It certainly doesn't help that we had gotten, in succession, Resurrection 'F' and Frost.

"Why is Freiza's sadism more believable and understandable than Cell's sadism?"

I... don't think I said that? I said that Freeza was sadistic and that was why he enjoyed being powerful while Cell seemed to simply want to be powerful, and was just sadistic as well.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 18th 2018 at 6:48:53 PM

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30891: Jul 18th 2018 at 11:47:19 AM

I mean, I didn't need Frieza or Cell back. Just let Buu do his thing, his powers are potentially more interesting anyway.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30892: Jul 18th 2018 at 11:49:53 AM

I wouldn't really object to that either.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#30893: Jul 18th 2018 at 11:55:50 AM

I thought Majunior Piccolo was a pretty fun character. He always felt like a kid playing at being the ultimate evil. He clearly had an air of theatricality about him, and unlike most villains, it felt like he actually was acting like a supervillain, rather than actually being one. Piccolo Jr at the time felt less like the ultimate evil, like King Piccolo did, and more like an inexperienced teenager desperately trying to come off as the ultimate evil, and that in turn made him a much more interesting character.

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#30894: Jul 18th 2018 at 11:59:31 AM

So Kylo Ren?

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#30895: Jul 18th 2018 at 12:03:14 PM

THAT's what I was thinking of! Yeah, they have the same kind of appeal, though Piccolo Jr was less pathetic than Ben.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 18th 2018 at 12:03:30 PM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30896: Jul 18th 2018 at 1:58:33 PM

@Sigil That's incorrect. Cell was also sadistic and liked seeing people in terror, which is half the reason he held the tournament. That's also why he announced it to the world, even though the people he wanted to fight already knew. He wanted to make them fear the end, and then deliver it to them.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30897: Jul 18th 2018 at 3:12:14 PM

I think the point is that Cell's sadism was arbitrary but, like, so what?

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#30898: Jul 18th 2018 at 3:20:01 PM

You can say that Cell's sadism was unnecessary, but Cell has been sadistic ever since his first appearance. It's not like Cell's personality completely changed once he became perfect, he was always like that. Really, the only reason Cell is dead now is because Gohan would prefer to kill threats to the Earth rather than leaving them alive. Cell's fate as compared to the fates of the other villains is a better illustration of the difference between Goku and Gohan than it has anything to do with Cell himself compared to the other villains.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30899: Jul 18th 2018 at 3:23:31 PM

My point is not that Cell was not sadistic, just that it took a secondary role to his main motivation of proving he was the strongest.

Cell has no interest in dicking over the Goku Gang except just to be a dick or to prove he's the biggest dog. Freeza sees them clearly as an active threat to his giant space empire.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30900: Jul 18th 2018 at 3:25:36 PM

No, Frieza saw Goku as a threat and no one else.

He was going to fuck over everyone else both to spite Goku, and because some of them got in the way of him wishing for immortality. That's the main reason he and his father didn't just blow up the Earth instead of actually landing, he wanted to be a dick about it.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 18th 2018 at 5:25:57 AM


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