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One is a shy girl.
Seriously, you just said that personality and relationships are "superficial", and that only character design matters.
Here's the dictionary definition of superficial, you used it exactly wrong.
Kale and Broly's similarities are superficial: they resemble each other on the surface. The thing that sets them apart is the depth in their characters, their personality, feelings, and relationships.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 11th 2018 at 11:58:19 AM
But neither one has any depth? And their personalities are pretty shallow as well.
Brocc had personality?
It just seemed like he was the "didn't talk much"...dude.
It's one of those douche or turd situations.
Yes, superficial because the person was going "one has a dad, while the other has a friend" is superficial. Yes, minor things were changed because they're in different plots. That doesn't not change that Kale's biggest asset is that she is a Broly shoutout, at least as far as the anime goes. Maybe the manga is handling her better, I don't know, I don't read it.
You keep talking as if Kale (and Cauliflau) being is some deep, well-written character as a fact, when I saw nothing about either of them to consider them such.
So, yes, Kale isn't exactly like Broly personality-wise. But her motivations are still terrible like his. Her power is still ridiculous like his (perhaps even worse, because it's way more inconsistent, even after she should have control of it), and so much of her look and direct fighting scenes are just stolen from Broly.
Edited by LSBK on Jul 11th 2018 at 2:05:43 PM
Broly doesn't like his dad or Kakarot. It's not much, but it's there. Kale had feelings of jealousy and inadequacy that stem from self-hatred, and she goes through character development into a person without those issues.
If you're going to keep arguing, I'd suggest you not deny what is objective fact if you want me to take you seriously. Yes, Kale has depth. More than many side characters in this franchise. Whether or not you liked that depth is frankly irrelevant to whether or not it exists.
You didn't make any argument either, so my idea was to try to incite you to actually explain yourself beyond "the differences between them arbitrarily don't count because I said so".
Also, again, Abridged thread, not main thread. Why is this conversation happening here?
That is a very good point. I think it came up because someone mentioned that TFS would have material for Broly 2 because of both Kale and New!Broly. Either way, REALLY off topic.
So, TFS have said that they'll be stopping at the Cell Saga, but they obviously want to continue into the Buu Saga. What are the odds they'll tackle Bojack? They've been setting him up ever since King Kai's introduction.
Oh yeah, Bojack is before Broly 2, isn't it?
Yeah, Gohan's still a kid in it.
Clone wasn't hyperbole, I was referring to tropes like Char Clone and Expy. That's what Kale was conceived as, 'Broly but let's make them a girl'.
I'm not saying that makes them identical, just pointing that that Kale's existence will always be because of Broly and there is no denying that.
Edited by Saiga on Jul 11th 2018 at 6:56:37 PM
Skipped the last two pages.
"Lover" was referring to sexually.
Piccolo was better father, obviously.
And it was a fan-asked question.
To add to this, nobody would care even half as much about Kale if she wasn't referencing Broly. She literally owes part of her existence to Broly.
So yea, calling her a derivative of him is a straight up fact.
Nobody here is saying she isn't based off Broly. Just that she has enough notable differences that calling her a full clone is inaccurate. How about we compromise and call her an Echo Fighter.
After all this is still shonen & FIGHTS... ARE.... EVERYTHING!!!!
.......Wait then itís Broly cause a lot of Kaleís moments are homages to his shit.
Gotta be real here, Kale walking through Goku's Kamehameha is a lot cooler than Broly standing there and tanking Goku's Kamehameha.
Edited by Moth13 on Jul 11th 2018 at 11:08:17 AM
How can it be cooler when it's based on the same exact moment? I know opinions and all, but that makes no sense to me.
I just personally find people walking through laser blasts as they are firing to be extremely dope. (Super spoilers) I also thought that one Universe 6 Namekian diving through Gohan's Kamehameha was cool as hell.
I thought OG Broly also walked through a Kamehameha?
Nothing has topped Cooler punching Goku through a Kamehameha
Edit: and nobody called Kale a full clone
Edited by Saiga on Jul 12th 2018 at 3:05:02 AM
Just watched the scene in question & he actually didnít walk through it.
What he did though was tank it at point-blank range like it was nothing after a cool walk to a charging Goku indicating he gave no shit what he was gonna do.
Actually tanking a point-blank blast is cooler than taking it at a distance cause point-blank shows you are tuff as fuck.
Though yeah nothing beats that. Cooler is fucking Cooler than everybody, not just Frieza.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 11th 2018 at 10:38:58 AM
Kale having more depth than the average DBZ character is accurate, though its due to lack of depth from the main cast that makes even the slightest effort seem notable. Whether or not that depth is interesting is subjective, and I find her boring.
I disagree with her having more depth. She has a very inconsistent characterization (going from 'Shrinking Violet Yandere in base, Psycho Lesbian Yandere while Berserk' to 'insecure and hating her weakness') and what she does have is very standard for the tropes she's written with.
When they tossed out the really bad Yandere characterization they didn't leave her with much.
Its no impossible for someone usually shy and submissive to be hiding aggression, not to mention going Super Saiyan has made the user become more aggressive, her form just takes that up to eleven.
Never said it was impossible, just relying on really bad tropes and double standards.
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