It's very different.
One is "I have a black friend, so that means I can't be racist."
The other is "I have a friend who cried at the moment, so it was at least impactful to her."
One is flawed logic about the speaker's stance while the other is just a simple anecdote about a friend's feelings. Even disregarding the humongous difference in tone and appropriateness, the two statements convey very different information.
Itedakeshi has already apologized and admitted fault, so I don't see the point in still talking about it.
That being said, I think I do understand their general issue, because I don't think anyone was saying the moment couldn't have an emotional impact on some people; that's obviously not true. People were just stating their own reasons for why they dislike it.
I know a few people like that.
While there's plenty of in-jokes I've had to explain, a lot of the humor is still universally-applicable, so it's not that odd for people to want to watch it if they're just looking for some laughs.
Some have at least read a synopsis of the original work even if they haven't read/watched it, so they understand the general story beats and characters.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!True but they are missing out on a lot.
Its a special feeling to watch an abridged after watching the original product, heheh.
Admitably I have not even watched the second cour or even seen season one's finale so I am hypocrite in that regard, hahaha.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 1st 2018 at 12:20:46 PM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I have seen the first half of the gungale season (and not the currently airing spin-off staring the girl in pink but the actual second season) & after it ended I developed an inexplicable hatred of SAO.
I think its issues just finally caught up to me.
Which is why I love the abridged cause its pretty much a pisstake on the whole thing.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 1st 2018 at 12:20:25 PM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I think it also has to do with the perception of the original work. The original Sword Art Online is widely seen as awful, while the original Dragon Ball Z's perception varies. It's seen as a work that helped shape the very foundation of modern shonen, but it also has its detractors. The Hype Backlash against DBZ was more common in the mid-late 2000s, but it still lingers on, and certain derogatory memes against the show, such as that it drags on forever, refuse to die even with Kai.
It's possible that some people watch Abridged and refuse to watch the original DBZ simply because they're under the impression that the original DBZ is a bad series not worth their time.
And I was just stating a reason for why I like it.
That someone took me and my friend liking the scene so personally as to start crying racist for some f*cking reason really says more about them and their debate tactics than me.
I hate using those words because they sound like something Sarah Huckabee Sanders would say, but I honestly don't see how accusations of racism are in any way applicable to me and my friend liking the Android 16 video.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 1st 2018 at 4:35:12 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.8
I haven't see the original Dragon ball z (just don't have the time) and I still like the abridged series every thing I knew before I did research on Dragon ball came from Pop-Cultural Osmosis. that said I am watching Dragon Ball Super which does help.
It is true though, that emotional connection - while being the most valuable thing a human being can get from a story - is also one of the least persuasive arguments for its merit.
Or to put it in other words, I probably know people who cried at Twilight.
I think that there are two things going on with the scene that explain why it's fairly divisive - it's really good development with 16's character and consistent with how they've portrayed him up till that point. But it's not consistent with how they've portrayed Dr. Gero's character, which is probably what throws a lot of people off. Gero doesn't respond to Goku like the latter killed his son, he responds to him like Goku's the main obstacle to world domination.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I don't think that's true. Abridged Gero is very singleminded about killing Son Goku specifically. He doesn't care about Vegeta or Piccolo or Tien or whoever. They're just between him and Goku. All of his androids have a Kill Son Goku protocol, with varying levels of effectiveness. Even after he's dead, he has contingency androids and a backup supercomputer to continue the goal of Kill Son Goku.
Goku is the beginning and end of his entire motivation.
Now, a point can be made that he doesn't care about Vegeta or Piccolo or Gohan because none of them are powerful enough to stop him. But so far as he knows, neither is Goku. He doesn't know about Namek and his Androids make pre-Super Saiyan Goku look like a pathetic chump. In fact, one of his earliest gags involves the fact that Android 19 is continuing to track Goku long after he's made his exit, because he wasn't programmed to care about Vegeta.
See also: 19 analyzing Yamcha with a identification protocol that just gauges likelihood of being Son Goku and 16 refusing to fight anyone unless he's Son Goku.
There's really no reason for him to be utterly apathetic about Vegeta but determined beyond all reason to kill specifically Goku. Besides the fact that he has a grudge against specifically Goku. In fact, he never really talks about taking over the world at all. He just wants to kill Goku and has no stated ambitions beyond that goal.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 1st 2018 at 6:07:20 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.In regards to watching abridged series without seeing the original, I’m fine with it. To be honest, I think that DBZA is the only real reason I care much about Dragon Ball - I don’t think I’d really care for the source material all that much.
I also think that the reverse might be true, somewhat - I tend to get a little defensive of things I like, so I don’t know if I’d necessarily want to watch an abridged version of them.
On Gero, I’ll agree that he’s pretty single-mindedly focused on Goku. That said, I don’t know if he really comes off as a man who wants revenge for his dead son, so much as revenge for the destruction of the evil organization that he belonged to. It doesn’t feel as personal as it could.
But maybe I just have my own preconceived notions of what revenge-driven mad scientists act like.
Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jul 1st 2018 at 8:07:31 AM
Oh God! Natural light!They really wanted to do the "He's DEEEEAAAAAAAAD!!" line, jeez.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.When they're asking why Gero is doing what he's doing, he specifically says he hates all of them, but especially Goku. World domination is still his primary thing, in which the cast stand in the way off, even if wanting to kill Goku is extra personal to him.
Edited by LSBK on Jul 1st 2018 at 8:35:50 AM
I feel it should be mentioned that the interview where Toriyama revealed 16 and 19's backstory, as well as 17 and 18's names, happened after Gero was dead and 16 had been introduced in the Abridged series. It fits in okay with Gero's characterization, but it doesn't fit perfectly because that information didn't exist back when they were writing Gero. If it did, they probably would have written Gero differently.
It should also be noted that of the rest of the cast, the only ones who really contributed to the Red Ribbon Army's defeat were Krillin, Roshi, and... Launch, I think? And they only took out a handful of soldiers each (and Gero could easily not know about them).
Who defeated Colonel Silver? Just Goku.
Who sacked Muscle Tower? Just Goku.
Who defeated their greatest assassin Taopaipai? Just Goku.
Who stormed their citadel and wiped out their entire command structure? Just Goku.
Of course Gero is going to prioritise Goku. As far as he knows Goku is the strongest threat to his plans, not to mention the one who thwarted him before. But his attitude to Goku is "Mr. Bond, I presume" not "you killed my son you bastard!", and if they wanted the latter to be his motivation they should have written him as such.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"A poorly used comparison is not at all the same thing as actually calling you a racist, especially when the person has already apologized for said analogy. You're making this much more personal than they did.
Regardless, there's no right or wrong here, just personal taste. None of which actually matters, because the scene exists regardless of what any of us think.
Edited by LSBK on Jul 1st 2018 at 9:24:01 AM
In regards to people watching the Abridged without watching the original, even TFS themselves thought nobody would be watching the abridged without having seen the original DBZ. That’s why in the earlier parts they didn’t have problems making jokes that relied on people having watched the original. But once they realized there are people who are experiencing DBZ for the first time through them, they stopped making those jokes.
They didn't...they're just not as blatant.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Skimmed most points, just wanted to say, "I apologize IF anyone was offendED
" is not an apology. It's conditional and shifts the actual issue to someone else.
It shouldn't work for racists; it shouldn't work for anyone else. It's a non-apology, in my eyes.
I know I'm super late for this, but I'm going to rank these dads anyway.
1: Mark "Hercule" Satan- He absolutely adores Videl.
2: King Piccolo- His children are the only people he doesn't treat like shit.
3: Piccolo- While he initially despised Gohan, he grew to care for him as a surrogate son, putting his life on the line for him several times.
4: Dr. Briefs- He works with Bulma, and he seems like a nice enough guy to be a good dad.
5: Ox King- He seems like a much better grandpa than a dad, but he seems to have raised Chi-Chi well anyway.
6: Krillin- He seems like a normal dad to Marron.
7: Gohan- He seems like a similarly normal dad to Pan in either continuity.
8: Vegeta- He was an abusive piece of shit to Future Trunks, especially after he turns out to be his son. He has treated his own version of Trunks fairly well though.
9: Goku- He was a good dad for Gohan in his early childhood then left before training him. After the fight with Cell, he has been a distant father to Gohan and Goten ever since.
10: Bardock- He didn't give a crap about Raditz and only saw Goku as the one who would avenge the Saiyan race.
11: King Cold- He went out of his way to rescue Frieza after Namek, sure, but he's implied to beat him and he definitely didn't shed any tears when he died.
The legend has returned.

An anecdote from someone that isn't really relevant to the discussion due to different circumstances used to bolster ones argument. At least that's the logic I used, but nonetheless the opinion of someone who never watched the original being used to judge whether an addition made by fans based on information and characters from the original doesn't say much considering the lack of context.