Implying the opinion of anyone has any value...
Edited by randomness4 on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:20:25 AM
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Implying it was an argument?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Yeah I can see why someone who hasn't seen the original would like that stuff more.
Anyway, those characters were alive well before Schemmel and Sabat entered the scene. They bring one version of the characters to life and can easily make them less accurate to the source - like the whole 'hope of the universe' speech that Goku gives.
Vegeta isn't a better father than Goku. He certainly puts in more effort, but he also needs to put in more effort just to be 'decent'. It's nice that he pushes himself to do things that he doesn't want to for their sake, but it's also an issue that he doesn't want to do those things in the first place.
Piccolo doesn't have any fatherly qualities. He's shown clearly being very bad at dealing with Gohan - even if you excuse the abuse with "well he's evil back then" he also plain doesn't know how to get Gohan to understand him, so it's not just a matter of him being evil. And it's established in both time skips after that (Freeza to Trunks and Cell to Boo) that he apparently doesn't see Gohan in the peace time, despite having nothing better to do.
At least we know that when Goku was alive for long stretches of time he was actually around his family.
Well before Super...
Preemptive response...:Super's bad.
Edited by randomness4 on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:41:32 AM
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I actually like that Super shows characters spending down time together, because it was pretty weird how people didn't seem to see each other unless they had a reason to. The relationship really seemed to be like those kind of friends or acquaintances you have that you'll just randomly think 'I wonder what they're up to, we should catch up' after a long period of not thinking about them.
That's just End of Z though.
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Not just then. After the 23rd Budokai, there's a 5 year period where nobody even knows Goku has a kid until they decide to have a get together at Roshi's place. And from the dialogue we can tell the other characters haven't seen each other in a while either - Kuririn asks Bulma about Yamcha, Bulma asks about Lunch, and Roshi/Kuririn mention it's been a while since seeing Bulma.
Bulma needs to fix Raditz' scouter for them to find Tenshinhan since they have no way of contacting him.
There's a similar thing when the characters meet up in response to Freeza's arrival on Earth. They all talk about not having seen each other in a while.
Same thing with the 25th Budokai, as Piccolo hadn't seen the grown up Gohan. In this case, kid Trunks is familiar with Gohan, and Gohan was aware of why Kuririn grew his hair out, so Gohan is at least a little better at keeping in contact with people.
Because he was evil at the time. Evil characters being shitty is expected. Good characters (like Goku) being shitty goes against the grain and is treated harsher as a result.
Tobias's. Bringing up your friend that is okay with something other people aren't okay with to somehow justify it.
Justify it? It's a new scene in an anime parody and Tobias is bringing up an anecdote. Chill.
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I really like that about DBZ...
I don't think "Piccolo was evil" fully explains it, because I've seen people downplay both how evil Piccolo was, and his actual intentions for Gohan.
But the point remains that even after he turns over a new leaf, Gohan never views Piccolo as a father-figure, and Piccolo doesn't seem to view himself in that role either, nor does he act like it for the most part.
Edited by LSBK on Jun 30th 2018 at 1:02:58 PM
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Yeah, but that's a double standard.
Like I won't say that Piccolo should be treated as though he would still abuse children, but it'd be completely wrong to treat him less harshly because he was evil.
Even though he changed, it doesn't change that that's basically the only interaction we see him have with children until much later when he deals with Gotenks.
Edited by Saiga on Jul 1st 2018 at 4:02:37 AM
This is one of those things where what makes a father-figure is ultimately subjective and depends on the person.
I mean, is it? Because I think both that Gohan and Piccolo don't spend much time together, neither really seems bothered by it, and he never acts in a traditionally parental role, are disputable.
Gohan respects and admires Piccolo, and Piccolo is very fond of him for their time together. That does not translate to them having a father-son relationship, nor does it need to. And this is independent of thoughts on Goku's parenting skills, or lack thereof.
Edited by LSBK on Jun 30th 2018 at 1:09:39 PM
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I think a conversation about how an internet series handled a dramatic scene REALLY shouldn't be discussed using the same strategies as a conversation with a real life racist, and I think if you are using the same strategies for both, you need to prioritize better.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 30th 2018 at 11:15:35 AM

Vegeta’s a pretty shit dad.
For most of Trunks life he pretty much ignored him.
Also Piccolo did kidnap & abuse Gohan after orphaning him, why does everyone forget this?
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