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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30526: May 1st 2018 at 5:57:17 PM

Yep. And when the Destroyer dies their angel attendant "deactivates" or something.

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#30527: May 1st 2018 at 7:14:09 PM

And presumably, killing the Destroyer also kills the Supreme Kai. It's just that doing it the other way 'round is a lot easier.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#30528: May 4th 2018 at 4:32:24 PM

Speaking of killing Kais; where was Beerus back when Majin Buu originally went around terrorizing the universe and killing all the Kais?

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#30529: May 4th 2018 at 4:37:49 PM

Probably sleeping

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30530: May 4th 2018 at 5:03:48 PM

Pretty much. Although there's a darker explanation now that I think about it.

Since the Old Kai was sealed in the Z Sword, Beerus didn't bother to help because he knew he wasn't in any danger (since Buu couldn't get to his other half) so he knew what was going on and did nothing.

Again, no proof of this, but ...

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#30531: May 4th 2018 at 5:29:28 PM

Beerus was retconned into being the one who sealed Old Kaioshin away, during an argument.

Which could've been used to justify the life link.

Except Super acts like it is only Shin who is linked to Beerus, with Beerus dying the moment Shin does. So if sealing breaks the link (effectively giving one less Kaioshin to keep Beerus alive), why did Beerus bother? He could have just destroyed Old Kaioshin if he wasn't trying to keep the link safe.

It's weird.

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#30532: May 4th 2018 at 5:38:59 PM

I was assuming that Old Kaioshin used to count for the link but he doesn't anymore.

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#30533: May 4th 2018 at 5:44:42 PM

That's what I mean. Like, given that their used to be 5 Kaioshin in universe 7, and a whole bunch of them got offed by Boo without Beerus dying, it must mean all Kaioshin need to die for Beerus to die - the life link is preserved if at least one Kaioshin survives.

Sealing Old Kaioshin away must not preserve the life link, which would be the same as if Old Kaioshin died - once less Kaioshin supporting the lifelink.

Unless it was Old Kaioshin's death in the Boo arc that severed the lifelink, and reviving him doesn't restore it. That makes the life link work differently to Piccolo and God, though, so that'd be pretty weird.

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#30534: May 4th 2018 at 6:16:29 PM

Except Super acts like it is only Shin who is linked to Beerus, with Beerus dying the moment Shin does. So if sealing breaks the link (effectively giving one less Kaioshin to keep Beerus alive), why did Beerus bother? He could have just destroyed Old Kaioshin if he wasn't trying to keep the link safe. It's weird.

That's what I mean. Like, given that their used to be 5 Kaioshin in universe 7, and a whole bunch of them got offed by Boo without Beerus dying, it must mean all Kaioshin need to die for Beerus to die - the life link is preserved if at least one Kaioshin survives. Sealing Old Kaioshin away must not preserve the life link, which would be the same as if Old Kaioshin died - once less Kaioshin supporting the lifelink. Unless it was Old Kaioshin's death in the Boo arc that severed the lifelink, and reviving him doesn't restore it. That makes the life link work differently to Piccolo and God, though, so that'd be pretty weird.

I can only assume that at some point, Old Kai officially passed his mantle to his descendant and now he bears the Life Link with Beerus.

I mean, I have no choice, because no one is explaining any of this at all. It's pretty clear no one cares.

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#30535: May 4th 2018 at 8:34:53 PM

Either way, Future Beerus dies in the Future Trunks arc, since Dabura stones the Z Sword and kills Old Kaioshin while fighting Trunks.

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#30536: May 4th 2018 at 9:45:40 PM

It's only specifically the Z Sword in the manga version as far as I recall, which Toyotarou did to kill Old Kaioshin off (as he shows in the volume notes).

In the anime, the sword Trunks uses against Dabra doesn't have the Z Sword's design and is just identical to his regular sword he uses for the rest of the arc.

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#30537: May 8th 2018 at 1:45:10 PM

Expect 60 sometime in the summer and, to celebrate 10 yr. anniversary and 3 mil subscribers on the channel, 12 hr. DBZA marathon on their Twitch channel at 5/13 12pm CST.

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#30538: May 9th 2018 at 1:32:53 PM

wild mass guessBecause Beerus sealed Old Kai away, he accidentially 'broke' the Kaioshin system. The fact that there are more Kaioshin later is because something had to fill the void of a 'Proper' Kaioshin, which got once again broken by Buu going murder-y on them and all that 'void-filling' Kai-power devolved once again upon a single individual. Kinda like there's always one Slayer until shit went wrong and suddenly there were 2wild mass guess

wild mass guessBeerus himself has no freaking clue if killing either off's him two or if both need to croak for him to die too, which I assume does wonders for his mood *throws theory at the wall*wild mass guess

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30539: May 9th 2018 at 8:14:32 PM

I'd take it.

It'd just be nice if we got some clarification, but just like the name of Frieza's race, it's never gonna be important enough to explain apparently.

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#30540: May 9th 2018 at 10:13:59 PM

And to be honest, Beerus is kind of a prick.

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#30541: May 10th 2018 at 9:12:09 PM

"Kind of?" Beerus is a huge prick. It just gets ignored often because he's a god and being a prick isn't the sole thing that defines him.

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#30542: Jun 3rd 2018 at 10:59:05 AM

He was a major prick in Super. I prefer his movie appearances more.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#30543: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:22:15 PM

Did Trunks use a spirit bomb at the end of that arc? How? Like, if it was Vegeta or Kirllin, I'd say, sure, they saw it used. But Trunks? How did he randomly form a spirit bomb and then absorb its power into his body?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30544: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:24:42 PM

Because of the power of the mortal spirit or some shit. Wait, why ask that in the abridged thread?

edited 10th Jun '18 1:24:58 PM by LSBK

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#30545: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:33:28 PM

Because Toei.

He doesn't do that in the manga. There, he just stabs a f*cker, IIRC.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30546: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:45:05 PM

And accomplishes just as much.

It was pretty cool, but it needed to be set up properly.

Then again, hardly anyone in dragon ball bothers to teach anything.

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#30547: Jun 10th 2018 at 4:50:25 PM

I figure he accidentally hit the mindset needed to gather a spirit bomb. I can accept that, since even King Kai would've had to initially figure out the move through accident or experimentation.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30548: Jun 10th 2018 at 6:24:37 PM

Because Toei.

He doesn't do that in the manga. There, he just stabs a f*cker, IIRC.

Yeah but that was way less cool.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30549: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:08:40 PM

Also, technically, he bisects him.

Though like I said, no matter what he does, the ultimate result is that nothing is accomplish.

Toei just made it even more noticeable by wasting our time with The Power of Friendship.

Because the Trunks arc has a really stupid ending.

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#30550: Jun 10th 2018 at 8:30:03 PM

I find it hard to get bent out of shape out of having all of 4 minutes of my time wasted at the end of an episode. The Vegetto part of that episode feels more like a stalling tactic than the spirit sword, to me. Both things were cool to watch, though. What bugs me more about the arc is the way that these big plans are set up repeatedly with Goku and Vegeta, only for them to fail because Goku forgot something vital or the rules behind stuff like fusion times are significantly different than what everyone thought they were. So then Trunks steps up and tries a new thing which almost works, resulting in the early plan feeling like stalling.

I gotta say, I would've liked it if the Mafuba had actually worked on Zamasu.

edited 10th Jun '18 8:33:05 PM by Enlong

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