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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30501: Apr 25th 2018 at 9:44:14 PM

You mean like reviving the galactic conqueror so that he can go back to brutally ruling the universe with an iron fist, but not caring about it since he's not bothering the heroes anymore?

...wait, wrong show...cool

...Meh. Still like DB more. Hell, I think I still like Super more to be honest. It disappointed me, but never managed to completely live down to my expectations like FT did.

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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#30502: Apr 25th 2018 at 9:50:32 PM

Then again Natsu and Goku would probably get along just fine.[lol]

One got a high stakes tournament just so he could fight strong people and the other practically breaks the law when he feels like it.

I enjoy Z and am pretty much neutral on Super and FT.

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#30503: Apr 25th 2018 at 10:02:19 PM

Low stakes with 1/2 chance for FAIL

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#30504: Apr 26th 2018 at 6:10:03 AM

As long as you're not trying to murder him, most people get along fine with Goku.

If you are trying to murder him, then you're his bestie.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#30505: Apr 26th 2018 at 6:11:43 AM

[up] Too true. He hired a guy to try to kill him just so he could get a good fight out of the whole deal.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#30506: Apr 26th 2018 at 6:27:23 AM

He had someone else do the hiring so that he wouldn't know when the assassin would show up

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#30507: Apr 27th 2018 at 6:19:45 AM

So I just found this, a scene where the Son family was trying to come up with names for young Gohan.

The boy who defeated Cell was almost named Ox-in-the-Box. Super Saiyan 2 Ox-in-the-box.

Considering Cell's omnipotence I sure hope he uses at least one of those names.

edited 29th Apr '18 12:56:27 PM by Soble

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#30508: Apr 27th 2018 at 6:27:11 AM

I forgot about that scene!

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#30509: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:23:54 AM

What's that from?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30510: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:33:01 AM

Phahahaha, never saw that scene, that's great.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#30511: Apr 29th 2018 at 12:58:52 PM

[up] (2) Filler from the Cell Saga I'm thinking.

They had a HETAP joke, they included the driving test, made fun of Bardock being a "scientist", and there was even a bit about the pronounciation of "Free-za."

And yet they save this one for later.

edited 30th Apr '18 9:43:32 AM by Soble

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#30512: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:36:38 AM

That or they didn't have a funny joke to make out of it

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#30513: May 1st 2018 at 9:24:01 AM

Zamasu killed Goesu and used the Dragonballs to switch bodies with Goku, because Goku beat him in that fight. But Goku only went to see Zamasu because of Trunks coming back from the future to warn him about Goku Black. How could Zamasu become Goku Black if Trunks didn't travel back during the Goku Black incident?

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#30514: May 1st 2018 at 9:40:01 AM

One could presume that a meeting between Zamasu and Goku would've still taken place, due to the Universal Tournament planned by Zeno. Presumably Zamasu might have faced Goku in the pre-tournament exhibition matches

edited 1st May '18 9:40:13 AM by Ghilz

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#30515: May 1st 2018 at 9:43:35 AM

Didnt Zamasu say something about the time ring protecting his existence forward and backward in time? Maybe it caused the timeline changes that led to him putting the ring on to become retroactive?

It's still weird cosmic BS though.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30516: May 1st 2018 at 9:57:32 AM

[up]I remember Goku Black saying that the time ring was what let him survive after Beerus Hakai'd past Zamasu. (it turns out Beerus wasn't completely full of shit when he said godly power would affect other timelines)

Goku Black existing at all is just goofy "the situation was created by itself" time travel tropes I'm pretty sure.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30517: May 1st 2018 at 11:38:48 AM

Zamasu’s situation is in a weird place where it’s stable, non-stable, and multiversal at the same time, based on whatever makes the plot work at any given time. It’s a lot less tight and well put together than Z’s play at it.

The bit where Goku only fights Zamasu because of Black in the first place, and thus Black exists because of himself, sticks out because neither regular time travel as described by Trunks nor divine Time Travel as described by Beerus and Gowasu work that way (regular time travel creates alternate timelines, divine time travel alters the past and future, neither create stable loops).

edited 1st May '18 11:40:30 AM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30518: May 1st 2018 at 12:25:46 PM

I was under the impression that the Time Ring simply allows Goku Black to keep existing independent of time even if he should logically be retroactively non-existent.

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#30519: May 1st 2018 at 12:33:27 PM

Yeah, it's one of the few examples I can note of a time paradox being a major part of the plot (and not as a generic doomsday event).

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#30520: May 1st 2018 at 12:55:08 PM

Meh, the timelines splitting makes a far better explanation. Future Trunks getting Hakai'd wouldn't affect Kid Trunks.

It also ties nicely to why it is so frowned upon: God powers are left irrelevant.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#30521: May 1st 2018 at 5:41:33 PM

Also, Black and Zamasu claim to have killed all the gods. Does that include the destroyers like Beerus?

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#30522: May 1st 2018 at 5:41:54 PM

Killing the Supreme Kais kills the Destroyers.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30523: May 1st 2018 at 5:49:38 PM

[up][up][up] I think doing both is fine, it's just that the chicken/egg paradox with Goku Black sticks out even with both of those in place.

The primary explanation overall hinges on the fact that Trunks' timeline is further along than our heroes. So it's less that Black goes to the past and more that he's already affected the future (what we're seeing is "history," essentially), which is in turn linking back to the past so our heroes can witness it. That part works out fine.

But that still requires that there be an iteration where Zamasu becomes Black on his own without having fought Goku which, given Future Zamasu's stagnation before Black kicked him into gear, doesn't seem likely, and which is arguably outright impossible anyway if we're to believe the explanation we're given for how divine time travel works.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30524: May 1st 2018 at 5:52:45 PM

Yeah, the anime version of the arc has a paradox and continues to add weird rules to explain it as the arc continues. The time ring can't even explain it because there's no logical explanation for how things started.

The manga version takes out the Goku-Zamasu paradox, destruction rule and paradox protection to follow the previously established rules.

Both versions still have the issue of Future Trunks showing up earlier than he should have, though. Following the idea that time has passed equally in the timelines, when Black is in Trunks' timeline travelling 'back' should just take him to a post-Black Universe 7. He shows up a few days earlier, splitting the timelines and creating a timeline where Goku is saved, but there isn't much reason given for why he showed up earlier.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#30525: May 1st 2018 at 5:55:59 PM

Wait, killing Supreme Kais kills destroyers? Is that a thing?


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