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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30451: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:07:41 PM

I kinda view it as a writing difference between how Goku's written in Super compaered to how he is in Z. It's not the first nor is it probably the last.

It's annoying, but eh. Writers aren't perfectly consistent. Especially when there's a decade between two works in the same continuity.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#30452: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:10:13 PM

Kakarotto is more interesting when he's not bound by family...

He also shouldn't be back in a student-like role...

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#30453: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:11:27 PM

I mean, him being a grandfather is pretty unique when compared to other Shonen protagonists.

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#30454: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:12:57 PM

Him being a father (And not just in the last episode) is rather unique for a Shonen show

edited 25th Apr '18 5:13:07 PM by Ghilz

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#30455: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:14:00 PM

The fact were following a show of 40 something adults is unique for a shonen show.

edited 25th Apr '18 5:14:09 PM by slimcoder

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#30456: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:16:50 PM

Do we count the 7 years he was dead for? Coz then Goku's 35, which puts him just a bit older than Roy Mustang, who is basically FMA's Deuteragonist.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#30457: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:16:57 PM

Kakarrot's around 35 or so...

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#30458: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:17:45 PM

42 time-wise, 35 if you subtract the time he spent dead.

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#30459: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:17:55 PM

Him being fairly old but looking like he's at most half his age is relatively common, though.

[up] since he kept his body, he's probably as old as he is.

edited 25th Apr '18 5:18:23 PM by Enlong

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#30460: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:18:18 PM

He's spent several years in the Hypertonic Lion Tamer though.

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#30461: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:19:54 PM

True, if you count the Hypersonic Rice Cooker, Vegeta is over 50

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#30462: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:21:06 PM

If it wasn't for the Room of Spirit and Time, he'd be 30-32...

edited 25th Apr '18 5:21:34 PM by randomness4

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#30463: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:21:29 PM

Goku being ignorant of kissing doesn't make him a bad husband, that's a very strange conclusion to draw.

But it might make Chi-Chi a rapist.

Like, if Goku truly doesn't understand love and sex, how much can he truly consent? The idea that Goku eventually understood these ideas makes his relationship have less Unfortunate Implications behind it.

Goku in the Boo arc shows that he knows about kissing, now understands what perverts like Roshi and Kaioshin are like, knows they won't be interested in flat chested girls... nothing about his later 'Z' portrayal makes him seem as naive as child Goku was or Super Goku is.

I think the main reasons that people have an issue with it are - as Enlong already put it - the difference in character writing, and the fact that it makes a dubious relationship seem even more questionable.

Like, many people have already made the assumption that Chi-Chi had to 'trick' Goku into sex - and that is all kinds of wrong.

edited 25th Apr '18 5:22:46 PM by Saiga

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#30464: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:21:31 PM

It really does count.

Those are actual years your spending there.

Vegeta really shouldn't be using it so lightly like that.

edited 25th Apr '18 5:22:54 PM by slimcoder

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#30465: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:22:57 PM

Vegeta really shouldn't be using it so lightly like that.

Yeah, he might have to waste up to an entire hour to get the Dragonballs and de-age himself! Think of the consequences! A whole ''hour''!

edited 25th Apr '18 5:23:59 PM by Ghilz

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#30466: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:24:49 PM

[up][up][up]Maybe she made him do the other option?

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#30467: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:30:08 PM

On the other side of things, Super Goku is also portrayed as knowing enough about sex and his own libido to explain his opinions about boobs. So I don't think he's ignorant to the point of casting a bad light on Chi Chi.

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#30468: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:30:26 PM

A year is a year, no matter which way you slice it. The only thing Vegeta's losing by spending a year in the RoSaT is how far into the objective future he makes it - and even that is questionable, as the gains he makes from training in the RoSaT have a direct correlation to his life expectancy given the activities he participates in.

This remains true for each year he spends in the RoSaT

Whether you die at "70 years" or "65 years and 5 RoSaT days", you've still lived the same length of time. The only major difference is that you'll miss out on five years of the world around you progressing. But you're going to miss out on a lot of the world's progress when you die no matter what age you die at, so how much that really matters is questionable.

There is, however, a huge difference between "65 years and 5 RoSaT days" versus "42 years and then your spine was ripped out and shoved down your throat by a genocidal universe-pirate or some shit".

Vegeta has pretty good reason to believe he's going to die a violent death, which means life expectancy stops meaning a whole lot anyway.

edited 25th Apr '18 5:32:08 PM by TobiasDrake

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#30469: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:32:12 PM

At what point does a Saiyan's age start catching up to them?

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#30470: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:33:44 PM

Like, if Goku truly doesn't understand love and sex, how much can he truly consent? The idea that Goku eventually understood these ideas makes his relationship have less Unfortunate Implications behind it.

Maybe they borrowed some DV Ds from Roshi? [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#30471: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:34:24 PM

I think the main reasons that people have an issue with it are - as Enlong already put it - the difference in character writing, and the fact that it makes a dubious relationship seem even more questionable.

Pretty much. I should point out that it's not the Writers that's the issue, but the Writer.

If it's in both the Super manga and the anime, then it's in Toriyama's notes, which mean's he wrote it.

Though I could be cool with interpreting it as Tobias stated: Goku knows what it is, he just doesn't care to do it himself so all the kisses come from Chi-chi, but that still means he's never bothered to kiss his wife.

I mean, I get that Toriyama has no interest in romance (which he keeps putting into his stories anyway), but c'mon man! Have him kiss his damn wife! You had them have sex, but he's still totally ignorant of kissing. I don't care if it is technically possible, it's still utterly ridiculous!

...oh, and Toei sucks and all too, They wen't along with it.

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#30472: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:37:05 PM

If only Karrot was completely asexual...

Like Spongebob, none of this would've happened...

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#30473: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:37:53 PM

I don't think that interpretation fits the scene. Given how Toyotarou noted that Toriyama is particular about his gags above all else, I think the manga being clearer is very telling.

Toriyama openly complained about Toei not understanding the 'poison' in Goku's character, so it would come as no surprise to me that he is now over-correcting by exaggerating Goku's negative traits.

It's been 20 years and people's attitudes change over time. I'm not surprised if Toriyama contradicts Goku's character.

edited 25th Apr '18 5:38:58 PM by Saiga

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#30474: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:38:29 PM

Vegeta has pretty good reason to believe he's going to die a violent death, which means life expectancy stops meaning a whole lot anyway.

You say that like a Violent death would mean something.

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#30475: Apr 25th 2018 at 5:39:31 PM

I just watched the "Goku kissing joke" scene in the original Japanese. Here's the transcript:

Goku: "Whoa, Trunks! You actually put your mouth up against hers?"

Vegeta: "You've never done that?"

Goku: "Of course not."

Vegeta: "But you're married."

Goku: "Does that have somethin' to do with this?"

The dub added more dialogue to the scene (which you kind of have to when translating from Japanese to English), and having Vegeta explicitly call it kissing kills the original joke that Goku's just talking about delivering a Senzu mouth-to-mouth and Vegeta is misunderstanding what Goku's talking about.


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