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#30326: Apr 13th 2018 at 5:23:58 PM

Literally from the moment the character was first shown, long before the arc even began, the fact that he's wearing a Potara earring was a dead giveaway that someone had perma-fused with Goku.

Then Zamasu walked in and immediately started eating puppies and ranting about how totes evil he is.

It's not a very complicated mystery. The truth wound up being very slightly different - body snatching via a wish to Shenron 3, the dragon of "Nobody cares that wishes have limitations so why even bother having them anymore?" rather than fusion - but the premise was still every bit the blindingly obvious answer that it seemed.

The truly amusing thing is that after all the suspense and anticipation on the audience's part, the ultimate reality of Goku Black is that he's really just a rehash of Captain Ginyu. Waste of an interesting premise, if you ask me. I liked Goku Black better when I thought he was in any way related to Goku.

edited 13th Apr '18 5:27:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30327: Apr 13th 2018 at 5:29:27 PM

Yeah that's why I called it an overrated mystery, and why I'm not particularity upset the manga didn't pretend it was. All speculation I saw looked more like wishful thinking anyway.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30328: Apr 13th 2018 at 5:56:55 PM

I suppose so. In the end, that entire arc was kinda a disappointment wasn't it?

I mean, you can give them a bit of credit for getting us a little confused when Zamasu showed up separate from Black, but still.

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#30329: Apr 13th 2018 at 7:50:16 PM

Zamasu didn't exactly eat puppies. He had a fatalistic world view that Goku only exacerbated and Gowasu nurtured by being a poor teacher.

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#30330: Apr 13th 2018 at 7:51:29 PM

Well, there was one of his early conversations where he says that mortals waste gifts like intelligence and life, and asks if they shouldn't just take those away.

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#30331: Apr 13th 2018 at 8:08:23 PM

@Tobias: Goku Black had one Potara earring though, not two, so fusion wasn't an airtight answer from the beginning.

Also honestly folks, when someone says they're enjoying the mystery while watching through something, that is not an invitation to start throwing around untagged spoilers about what happens.

edited 13th Apr '18 8:08:43 PM by Moth13

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#30332: Apr 13th 2018 at 8:57:53 PM

[up][up]I was encompassing that in "fatalistic world view". Zamasu's major flaw is that he was trained horribly, having a focus on strength and using his power rather than building up the proper Kai mindset.

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#30333: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:08:00 PM

[up][up]Better to be sorry than safe...

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#30334: Apr 15th 2018 at 7:19:15 AM

Honestly never liked Super but the early parts of Future Trunks arc was good. Also people saying that the universe tournament is as good as DB's tournament need to have their thoughts reevaluated.

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#30335: Apr 15th 2018 at 8:04:12 AM

Which tournament?

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#30336: Apr 15th 2018 at 9:11:01 AM

The first one and second one (basically the one with Goku vs Jackie Chun, and Goku vs Tenshinhan). The third one with Piccolo as a whole wasn't good except for Piccolo's fights. The first two had really good fights throughout it, most not even using brute strength but shit like making people do maths, using a bald guy's head, etc.

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#30337: Apr 16th 2018 at 5:15:57 AM

So, remember the Super shorts? I wish they would do more of those, they stopped at "Vegeta is angry at Goku for hiring Hit in a scene that mirrors hiring a prostitute", before the Tournament of Power even began, and Zeno knows that tournament had a ton of potential material.

Personally, I want them to do something with the scene where Kami and Nail appear to Piccolo while Gohan blocks a blast to save him.

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#30338: Apr 16th 2018 at 12:13:44 PM

As much as I'm kinda-sorta unhappy about 17 sucking up the spotlight throughout TOP, I do like Abridged 17 & 18, so I'd like to see some Super shorts featuring them.

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#30339: Apr 16th 2018 at 12:36:48 PM

I can just imagine TFS Vegeta exploding into angrish over said focus. tongue

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#30340: Apr 16th 2018 at 4:37:19 PM

oh my god we're talking about Dragonball Abridged for once

I'd like something to do with Vegeta's Shiny Super Saiyan form, or something with Frieza coming back to life.

edited 16th Apr '18 4:38:07 PM by Soble

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#30341: Apr 16th 2018 at 5:10:43 PM

So I just realized something:

Since they're going to end the series at the Cell Saga, does this mean they'll tell us who would have been edited out of the Buu Saga since we obviously won't see the missing character at all?

Cause now I'm really curious about it,

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#30342: Apr 16th 2018 at 5:47:37 PM

Have they gone on record saying that they won't do the Buu Saga? Last I heard, they had every intention on doing it, but they weren't making any promises.

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#30343: Apr 16th 2018 at 5:50:25 PM

They haven't said "definitely ending with Cell," but they're not optimistic about the series continuing into Buu.

https://twitter.com/kaiserneko/status/964323431490703360?lang=en

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#30344: Apr 17th 2018 at 12:01:33 PM

If anyone is curious on where they are currently, Lani just finished Recording all of his lines for Episode 60, causing his voice to be shot.

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#30345: Apr 17th 2018 at 12:08:08 PM

I bet Takahata's voice is gonna be shot too from dramatically proclaiming his love for cornbread.

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#30346: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:48:41 PM

A bit late, but the thing about the Goku Black mystery is that it's a really artificial and padded.

As mentioned before, the (rough) answer was really obvious from the start, and made the most sense. So the red herrings they threw in along the way made less sense than what the fans had already guessed, and also contradicted the rules of the series (admittedly, the anime version of Black contradicts the series either way). They had the cast made assumptions based on things that the audience knew weren't correct, and tried to cover up things that the audience already knew to expect.

Like, a big part of the initial mystery in the anime is pretending there is only one Zamasu, and therefore he can't be black. But that's idiotic, because the entire premise of the arc hangs on multiple timelines that each have different versions of the characters. When Zamasu shows up in the future, that just means Goku Black doesn't come from the future timeline. Which was already obvious from the fact that he has powers more similar to the main timeline Goku.

I appreciate the manga handles future Zamasu showing up with 'Oh, he's the Zamasu from THIS timeline' as an immediate deduction from Vegeta, instead of going 'THIS JUST RAISES FURTHER QUESTIONS (that already have answers)' that the anime did.

The manga did have the issue of providing much of an info dump at the start, but that could be resolved by having the obvious stuff figured out first, with the particulars Super Dragon Ball usage mostly figured out during or after the second trip. But not treating it like a huge mystery is definitely the right step.

It's not a problem that the details were so obvious - the upside is it makes Black feel like he fits into the setting using established principles. It's just that being upfront about it is better than building up mysteries that don't make sense.

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#30347: Apr 22nd 2018 at 9:00:45 AM

So anyone still waiting for episode 60, better keep on waiting for about another four months or so. They're still recording everything, and Kaiser still has to edit it.

It's gonna be a three part episode released once a week over a month, and goes live on Twitch before being uploaded to Youtube.

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#30348: Apr 22nd 2018 at 12:50:06 PM

Kaiser also mentioned on Twitter that Trunks' part after he returns to the future will be an epilogue released anywhere within a month after 60 is released.

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#30349: Apr 22nd 2018 at 12:59:45 PM

I'm starting to think they're forgetting the "abridged" part. Having the entirety of Gohan vs Cell be 1 hour and 30 minutes long is comparable to the original show in terms of runtime. I think that whole fight could very easily be cut down to 30 minutes long, like all the other finales have been so far.

Part 1: Gohan gets beat up by Cell. Cell spawns Cell Jrs. 16 dies, end with Gohan going Super Saiyan 2.

Part 2: Super Saiyan 2 Gohan beats up Cell. End with Goku taking Cell away before he self-destructs.

Part 3: Super Perfect Cell comes back. Vegeta gets dunked on. Beam struggle. Wrap up.

edited 22nd Apr '18 1:03:16 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#30350: Apr 22nd 2018 at 1:04:52 PM

[up]aren't DBZA episodes usually 10 minutes in length? So the 3-parter would be in fact about 30-ish minutes.


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