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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30226: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:23:44 PM

I just can't buy blowing up a universe, its too big & spaced out. You'd have to go outside the actual universe to blow it up.

Eh doesn't help that I know Kefla is just talking out of her ass. I wouldn't trust a Saiyan with my pet rock then I'd believe anything from a clearly power drunk maniac.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#30227: Mar 17th 2018 at 5:56:03 PM

Most of the energy in a solar system destroying explosion wouldn't hit the planets, since its expanding spherically. An explosion big enough to reach Neptune would also have most of that energy travel in every other direction at the same distance. According to Google, the minimum amount of energy to destroy Earth is 2.3×10^32 joules, while a typical type 1a Supernova releases 10^44 joules, which would be 434 billion times bigger than an Earth shattering explosion.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30228: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:03:01 PM

I never got the impression that if Darkseid and Superman Punch Parried five times, the force generated by their blows would obliterate the entire universe.

I wouldn't have had that impression with Beerus or Goku either, given that it doesn't scale with any of their other feats. And now we've got characters who are many times more powerful than Super Saiyan God Goku and it hasn't come up again.

Anyway, on blowing up the moon/planet/sun - I saw calculations done that, if you assume linear scaling from Roshi blowing up the moon at a battle power of 139, then someone with a BP of 11,000 could destroy Earth and somewhere around 3.8 billion could destroy the sun. 11,000 fits nicely under Saiyan arc Vegeta and 3.8 billion is very, very close to the most common fan estimates I've seen of Super Perfect Cell (which hover around 3-6 billion). However, I've also seen claims that it would take 3,000,000 times the amount of energy to destroy the sun compared to the Earth.

edit: Also, Cell arc Vegeta, Goku and Cell are all stated by multiple characters to be capable of destroying Earth quite easily, so there's not much argument that Boo is the first one who could destroy Earth. Hell, Boo initially fires out a tiny ki blast that would have destroyed Earth if Vegeta didn't blast it away.

edited 17th Mar '18 6:05:54 PM by Saiga

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#30229: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:13:51 PM

Assuming Roshi can fire 10^31 joules of energy (moon destroying requires 1.2×10^29 joules, so I'm highballing to assume the he isn't the bare minimum), that would put Cell at least (using the Supernova calculation) 1.39×10^13, which would be 13.9 trillion. Of course, this is all from Google, so I'm not confirming anything.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#30230: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:37:17 PM

do note that DB Moon is weird

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#30232: Mar 17th 2018 at 7:19:07 PM

In other news, Mary Poppins is getting a sequel.

Who asked for this?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#30233: Mar 17th 2018 at 7:40:20 PM

<Whistles nervously>

...y'all can't prove shit.

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#30235: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:07:49 PM

Yup. There was a trailer for it attached to A Wrinkle In Time (which was good, and I recommend it, though it would've been better without being produced by Disney).

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30236: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:18:14 PM

Really? I kept hearing it was a flop.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30237: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:20:31 PM

There are people who like flop movies. Though I can't say anything for certain, as I haven't watched it myself.

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#30238: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:28:17 PM

It is not a flop. It didn't oust Black Panther from the #1 spot in the Box Office rankings, but it did snag a very respectable 2nd place.

edited 17th Mar '18 10:28:30 PM by Gilphon

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#30239: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:29:53 PM

Though it does have several issues from what I heard.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#30240: Mar 17th 2018 at 11:50:57 PM

A "flop" doesn't necessarily mean a bad movie, and box office success doesn't necessarily mean a movie was good.

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#30241: Mar 18th 2018 at 8:47:40 AM

40% at Rotten Tomatoes and a respectable box office score marks it as formally "mediocre" to me. Not an earth-shattering experience, but not bad either. Perfectly enjoyable.

I'd be willing to accept either <20% critical approval or failure to make back its budget at the box office as definitions of a "flop", but this is neither.

The problem with calling things "flops" these days is that the term's become so watered down that it really only means, "I personally disliked this movie, so I'm using a universally-accepted term that means it's officially, irrefutably bad." It has as much meaning as "Mary Sue" these days.

edited 18th Mar '18 8:49:20 AM by TobiasDrake

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30242: Mar 18th 2018 at 8:48:24 AM

I've always thought flop was financial in nature. You can have good flop movies.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#30243: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:24:15 AM

Yeah, isn't that where cult classics and all come from? Movies that didn't sell well but were beloved by those who saw them.

I also feel like there's a term for movies that suffered from bad reviews but are generally well liked, though I dunno if that's also a kind of cult classic or if that's a different thing entirely.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30244: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:56:47 AM

There's no such thing as being "officially, irrefutably bad" to begin with.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30245: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:57:14 AM

There's lots of different tropes, most notably Vindicated by Cable, So Bad, It's Good, and Cult Classic.

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#30246: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:48:50 PM

Regarding Darkseid, One of his Greatest feats was naearly killing the Anti Monitor with his Omega Beams.

Thats without either the Anti Life equation or Soul Fire.

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#30247: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:50:40 PM

There's no such thing as being "officially, irrefutably bad" to begin with.

Agreed. But a lot of people seem to think there is. That's especially a problem on the wiki, as there are some editors - especially in the YMMV section - who seem to think that if they can shoehorn in a trope about how much shitty a character, series, or plotline is, it will become the Official Final Word on that thing being shitty forever.

"I wrote an entry about how Tidus is the worst Final Fantasy character ever conceived. That means TvTropes agrees with me and my opinion is now and forever Fandom Law."

edited 18th Mar '18 12:51:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30248: Mar 18th 2018 at 2:05:48 PM

Tell me about it. One of the franchises whose pages I watch has a frequent editor who filled out most of the YMMV pages singlehandedly, with about a gazillion Scrappy Index tropes I've never seen anybody except them express, and even sometimes tries to weasel YMMV tropes or other strong opinions onto non-YMMV pages which I've had to clean up a few times.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#30249: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:56:23 AM

Even after Ramona 20220202 (or whatever their numbers are) was banned, I'm still not actually sure on what peoples' opinions on various Dragon Ball characters are. That guy had serious ownership issues of the YMMV pages.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#30250: Mar 19th 2018 at 9:02:43 AM

Dragonball's never had a consensus on the good or bad of anything.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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