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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3001: Feb 1st 2013 at 8:41:59 PM

I like the Androids. So casual about their goals, if they even had one (I can't imagine if 16 would be able to actually go through with his programming to kill Goku once he met him), and yet too difficult to face in battle. And then once Cell arrives they still don't care much, but once he absorbs 17 and proves his credibility 18 gets a very severe reality check which is interesting.

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#3002: Feb 1st 2013 at 11:58:17 PM

On the field trip part, I'll be a bit fair. 18 was the more practical one and she wanted things to be done nicely and without any fuss. It's 17 who was the mayor procrastinator just to have some fun and 16 being a good trooper tagged along with them. tongue I mean, 17 was a little annoyed that 18 just blasted a forest away in order to have a smoother road and let's not forget he was the one with the bright idea of using a van to get to Goku's house.

So while 18 didn't care much about Dr. Gero's goals, she'd probably wanted to get it over with and then think of doing something else.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#3003: Feb 2nd 2013 at 6:46:34 AM

I just assumed 16 was a good enough influence on them somehow that he's the reason they didn't burn the world like they did in Trunks' timeline.

I mean, he's one of the main differences between the two timelines, with the second being Goku's survival of the heart disease, and the third being Cell's early arrival.

I mean yeah, in the actual series he didn't do anything like tell them not to hurt people, but maybe just his personality made them less likely to, or made them want to go on boring road trips or something.

edited 2nd Feb '13 6:54:12 AM by unnoun

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#3004: Feb 2nd 2013 at 2:12:19 PM

[up] Apparently it because he did not get the chance to program them. (Which was what turned them into sociopaths)

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#3005: Feb 3rd 2013 at 10:31:31 PM

So somrthing that bugged me about Goten was that he went Super Saiyan fighting Chi Chi.

Clearly that's why Chi Chi never went to Namek. She'd have handed Frieza his ass.

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#3007: Feb 4th 2013 at 4:03:55 AM

Yeah, originally he just randomly went Super Saiyan while sparring with Gohan, mentioning that's how he and Trunks play or something along those lines.

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#3008: Feb 4th 2013 at 6:39:04 AM

In the anime, Trunks mentioned it, and I still don't like it. I agree with Vegeta that it cheapens it, and I hope the abridged series lampshades it.

I wonder what they'll do with Saint Saiyaman.

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#3009: Feb 4th 2013 at 6:43:13 AM

I disagree about it cheapening it. There's still only 5 Super Saiyans in history, with only 2 being pure-bloods, and it was never meant to be a singular thing. As for kids learning it... certainly not worse than kid Goku replicating the Kamehameha after seeing it once when it took Roshi 50 years to develop it.

Plus, there is more to Super Saiyan than just the first stage.

edited 4th Feb '13 6:43:36 AM by Saiga

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#3010: Feb 4th 2013 at 6:58:39 AM

Mind you, Roshi taking 50 years to develop the Kamehameha raises a few eyebrows when one realizes how common Ki blasts are. Hell, Roshi's own fellow student had developed Dodon Ray (Who, by Roshi's own admission, is better than the Kamehameha), Tri-Beam and flight. Their master fought King Piccolo (who is a regular Ki beam user) and developed the Evil Containment Wave.

Seems odd it took Roshi that long to come up with a single (and relatively simple) Ki attack. The 50 year thing makes more sense when one realizes it was written when the show was essentially a quirky retelling of Journey To The West and the Kamehameha was the single ki-type attack to be seen - a devastating trump card. But with the later development in the series, it seems outright odd.

edited 4th Feb '13 7:00:14 AM by CobraPrime

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#3011: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:01:41 AM

Maybe he was just procrastinating on developing a skill for a while. A long while. The fifty-year development time just makes it sound better than it really is.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#3012: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:02:54 AM

[up][up] ...Of course, to an extent the Kamehameha ended up as a devastating trump card anyway.

I mean, the Dodon Ray sure isn't what killed Cell.

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#3013: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:05:36 AM

Bear in mind that Roshi is over 300 years old, so he probably developed that technique long before ki blasts were so common. And it wasn't his only ki attack, either, he also had the Bankoko Bikkuri Sho. Tsuru Sen'nin was even older so it makes sense that he developed more techniques (although it was only one more).

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#3014: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:07:56 AM

There's still only 5 Super Saiyans in history, with only 2 being pure-bloods

Three. There's the Legendary Super Saiyan of Vegeta (The Planet)'s past (Even he's mentioned in the manga), Goku, and Vegeta. And if you include Filler, other Arcs, etc... Then that number shoots from 3 to 5, with Broly and Bardock. Honestly, the only thing that limits the number of pure blood super saiyans is that there's not more of them!

And honestly, on the "there's more than the first stage" I found the later stages cheapened the whole thing. It took what was an event of legendary proportion and turned it into just another gimmick.

edited 4th Feb '13 7:23:03 AM by CobraPrime

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#3015: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:10:15 AM

[up] ...I could have sworn that the Legendary Super Saiyan wasn't from Planet Vegeta, but the unnamed planet that the Saiyans originated from before they moved to Planet Plant and took over.

Also, the Legendary Super Saiyan blew their first planet the fuck up.

edited 4th Feb '13 7:21:38 AM by unnoun

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#3016: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:20:35 AM

I wonder if there's some staple food crop on Earth containing some protein or something that was rare or non-existent on Vegeta-sei, that somehow increases someone's likeliness to go Super Saiyan.

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#3017: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:20:44 AM

Hell, the fact Roshi has other attacks makes the long development of Kamehameha all the more weird. And yes, Ki Blasts weren't new when he was young. See King Piccolo, Kami, Mutaito etc...

Where is it ever said Tsen is older? Can't be much older, whenever there's flashbacks him and Roshi look about the same age.

Also, the Legendary Super Saiyan blew the planet the fuck up.

Anime only. In the Manga, no such thing is said.

I mean, the Dodon Ray sure isn't what killed Cell.

Coz Gohan wasn't trained by Tien? It's a Crane School move. Makes sense that Goku and those he trained would prefer using the move from Goku's school, not the rival one (Especially when the guy who invented it is kind of a giant dick).

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#3018: Feb 4th 2013 at 7:22:57 AM

Yep, and those punk kids have reached planet buster status. Granted, moon buster status wasn't that hard to reach.

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#3019: Feb 4th 2013 at 9:59:53 AM

People recklessly blowing up the moon. Won't someone think of the wolf-men and man-wolves?

Also: Bardock and the Legendary Super Saiyan of the past are implied to be the same dude, thanks to Episode of Bardock (which is manga).

And now I want to see a souped-up, planet-busting Dodon Ray.

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#3020: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:01:34 AM

[up][up][up]But Gohan mostly fights using the Demon Tribe's style.

edited 4th Feb '13 10:01:45 AM by maxwellelvis

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#3021: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:05:21 AM

Does he?

Honestly, the only move of Gohan's that I remember him using frequently aside from punches, generic nameless ki blasts, and the Kamehameha, is the Masenko, which I think is a move of his own design? I don't remember him using moves that I recall Piccolo also using.

though it would've been cool to have Gohan also know how o use the Special Beam Cannon.

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#3022: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:08:11 AM

[up]Well, we can't really tell, because in Z, any actual martial arts was eschewed in favor of looped punches, energy blasts, and screaming.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3023: Feb 4th 2013 at 10:34:20 AM

Maybe it took Master Roshi 50 years to perfect and develop the Kamehameha wave. Like, he was always able to shoot awesome waves of death, but he could never figure out what the ideal form and shape was until 50 years of trying out different styles and versions.

Sort of like guessing a password; it takes someone 50 years to guess the combination to a safe via brute forcing it with every number combination, but then all he has to do is tell others the numbers since he now knows them.

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#3024: Feb 4th 2013 at 11:47:23 AM

[up] That would make sense, but it makes his complaint about how Goku did it immediately on a car ring a bit hollow, since Goku only had to mimic the final product.

But Gohan mostly fights using the Demon Tribe's style.

Yeah, but him killing Cell is after a year in the hyperbolic time chamber with Goku, seems likely that there he learned his father's Turtle School Style.

Masenko, which I think is a move of his own design

Nah, King Piccolo uses it.

edited 4th Feb '13 11:48:34 AM by CobraPrime

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#3025: Feb 4th 2013 at 11:59:42 AM

"This laser beam isn't quite circular enough..." for 50 years.

Well, maybe Gohan's attack is known as the Masenko for a reason. I don't know what the reat translates too.

Agreed on fights in DBZ getting generic as fuck.

edited 4th Feb '13 12:00:45 PM by wanderlustwarrior


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