See, this is basically what I mean. I know this may sound rude, but the Guldo argument often comes of as an attempted "got'cha!" moments or something, well, assholes, say to try and seem smart.
While trying to careful with my phrasing, your post there is kind of indicative of the tone I mean.
edited 17th Mar '18 12:31:27 PM by LSBK
This. Freezing time is a distinctly separate power from super-speed. You wouldn't consider the amount of metal Magneto can levitate to be representative of his physical strength.
edited 17th Mar '18 12:30:26 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah, but that's clearly not what the characters mean, and it's not what most people think of when they think of speed.
If I'm understanding your argument correctly, it's that "Because speed is measured as distance over time, and Guldo can stop time, any distance he travels happens instantly and thus he's the fastest in the Universe", is not something most people would seriously consider, for obvious reasons.
It has not semantic or practical meaning, it's only true in the most technical sense.
Freezing time only counts as a measure if speed if you're measuring how fast the person can move while within the time freeze. By definition, a person who freezes time is not, himself, frozen in time. Guldo is capable of doing things in his time freeze.
If Guldo freezes time for ten seconds and then sprints, then his speed is measured by how far he can move through that frozen time versus the ten seconds that passed exclusively for him.
It only qualifies as infinite speed if you pointedly ignore the fact that he is still progressing through time even as time itself is frozen around him.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Cell saying he could destroy the solar system is a similar statement as Kafla saying she could destroy an entire universe in one shot. Both are unproven, but there's no reason to include the line except to establish strength, Cell that he's moved beyond mere planetary objects and Kafla that she is in the realm of God of Destruction.
I mean, just based on Power Levelling, I believe them. Super Perfect Cell is, what, 40 times stronger than Freeza? 50 times? Not to mention that Freeza's final form is 226 times stronger than his first form or that Freeza's first form is 30 times stronger than Vegeta was when he claimed he could destroy the planet. You really think a difference of 339,000 times isn't enough to go from planet to solar system?
And though Kafla can't lay a finger on UIO Goku, his strength is in speed, and his attacks do barely any damage to her at first, the same attacks that did more to Jiren than the Spirit Bomb did.
edited 17th Mar '18 1:05:47 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
The reason I think that Cell was bluffing and that Vegeta wasn't is such - moving up to blowing up a planet from destroying a moon is significantly less than moving up to Solar system buster. Because you have giant tracts of empty void in between all those planets. So it's not just say, ten times stronger, because that's only the mass you're blowing up. You also need to have the blast cover that much space while maintaining the same intensity. Not to mention the Earth is moving around and with a blast pointed one direction wouldn't you miss Mercury, Venus, and the Sun? It's just a matter of logistics. I totally believe Cell could destroy eight planets and a star if they were all lined up neatly but they're not.
On the other hand, Roshi was able to blow up the moon with his MAX Kamehameha. So Vegeta, coming several arcs after him, being about 180 times stronger being able to blow up the planet with the Galick Gun, makes sense to me. The Earth only weighs 81 times more than the moon.
edited 17th Mar '18 1:07:03 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I feel like if your problem with Super Perfect Cell's claim is the physics of it, you've chosen a very arbitrary place to draw a line in the sand and go, "Nah, bro. Compared to the rest of Dragon Ball, this just isn't very realistic at all."
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I edited this in above you, but Vegeta was about 30 times weaker than Freeza's first form, which is 226 times weaker than Freeza's final form, which can be estimated to be about 50 times weaker than Super Perfect Cell. That's a 339,000 times over difference. The solar system is about 2,865,875 times larger than the Earth, but most of that, like you said, is empty space. In order to destroy a solar system, you'd only need to destroy all the objects within the solar system, since the empty space between them wouldn't put up any resistance.
Which is why I doubt any of those characters can generate a wide enough blast that spreads light years with the required power to annihilate a celestial object whether its a fucking solar system or a Goddamn universe.
Its fucking ridiculous. Hell Beerus requires Whis to make FTL travel.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I feel like an old martial artist who lives alone on an island with a turtle being able to blow up the goddamn moon is pretty ridiculous.
Like. I don't know what to tell you other than "Welcome to Dragon Ball." Like I said, if you're totally fine with Frieza blowing up Namek but think Cell destroying the Solar System is a completely unrealistic proposal, you've chosen a very arbitrary place to go, "No, all that other stuff is entirely reasonable and well within the laws of physics, but this just doesn't sound right."
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.As the Explosions in Space Trope page says:
Basically, space has no resistance, like air, so a ki explosion left unchecked would just keep expanding infinitely until it hits something. If you're Beerus and you can destroy any individual thing in the known universe, destroying the whole universe would be an easy matter of just making a strong enough explosion and just letting it go until it destroys everything.
edited 17th Mar '18 1:33:16 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
I'm not that sure about it, but I figure some may want to see it
¡PONLE QUE DIGA!:"¡HUMONGOSAURIO HASTA LA MUERTE!"And that's probably the only way he could kill the solar system with a Kamehameha.
Because the Kamehameha, on a planetary scale, is a one-dimensional line. There's no way he could tag every planet in one shot. Even if they weee all lined up, he'd need to be standing on Mercury or Pluto, not Earth.
I have a message from another time...Its fucking ridiculous. Hell Beerus requires Whis to make FTL travel.
It is ridiculous. Dragon Ball is dumb as hell and that's why we love it. The physics of it aren't meant to be looked at with any kind of scrutiny. Just roll with it.

Honestly Cell saying he can blow up a solar system just sounds like him talking up his own ass & no one is in any mood to correct him cause whether or not he can destroy a solar system is irrelevant to the more closer threat of point blank obliteration.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."