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#30176: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:20:25 PM

[up] Ah, but that's one of the only exceptions in the series to the rule of "more power, more speed".

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#30177: Mar 17th 2018 at 5:29:08 AM

"More power, more speed," isn't in dispute. "A battle power of 100 is exactly twice as speedy as a battle power of 50" is.

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#30178: Mar 17th 2018 at 5:32:33 AM

Future Trunks didn't necessarily raise his power, he instead went for solely raising pure brute force at the cost of well everything else.

Unlike Goku & Gohan who choose to increase all their stats & general base power level instead of just focusing on hitting hard.

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#30179: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:20:05 AM

If power level scaled exactly with attributes such as speed, and the average human has a power level of 5, you'd only need a power level of about 4.8 million to achieve faster-than-light speed.

Hah, that's interesting. I wonder what else you could work out by assuming exact scaling of power level, like weight lifting and stuff

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#30180: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:28:38 AM

According to Google, an average man can bench press 135 pounds so, assuming a linear increase, you'd need a Power Level of 75 to lift 1 ton. This obviously translates to Krillin on Namek being able to lift 1,000 tons, and Super Saiyan 1 Goku on Namek being able to lift 2,000,000 tons.

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#30181: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:33:25 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] But it is an exception, showing that the two can be decoupled.

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#30182: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:00:30 AM

Wasn't Burter's whole thing that he was super fast?

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#30183: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:04:26 AM

"Fastest in the Universe" according to him. In his defense, he probably didn't know about Frieza's transformations.

One of two options is possible:

  1. Burter is legitimately faster than both Captain Ginyu and the lowest form of Frieza, but makes up for it with significantly lower strength, durability, energy output, etc. resulting in a lower battle power. Basically, the exact opposite of Super Saiyan Grade III.
  2. Burter is talking out of his ass.

edited 17th Mar '18 10:05:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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#30184: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:06:46 AM

One of the things Ginyu notes about Goku's body is how fast it is, so I think it's safe to assume that Burter is faster than Ginyu. Burter's title probably comes with an asterisk next to it that says "aside from Lord Freeza".

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#30185: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:07:28 AM

[up][up] Isn't the first more or less the case with the rabbit from Super?

edited 17th Mar '18 10:08:07 AM by Cross

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#30186: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:09:53 AM

But... the Flash is the fastest man alive.

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#30187: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:12:02 AM

[up]Yes, but Freeza killed him. Not on purpose, mind, but as collateral damage when the Green Lantern wanted to start shit with him.

edited 17th Mar '18 10:12:18 AM by Kayeka

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#30189: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:22:32 AM

Lets assume that Darkseid is around Beerus' level so can Frieza defeat Beerus?

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#30190: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:33:19 AM

Depends on the Darkseid. I know that comic Darkseid is ludicrously stronger than cartoon Darkseid.

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#30191: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:38:57 AM

I'm not sure I'd agree to Darkseid being as powerful as Beerus, but then again, I haven't read the comics; I only know him from the cartoons.

I never got the impression that if Darkseid and Superman Punch Parried five times, the force generated by their blows would obliterate the entire universe.

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#30192: Mar 17th 2018 at 10:41:34 AM

I thought that was more Gods cannot fight Gods or else their Godly energy will cause a chain reaction & blow things up like if things get too hot & too cold all at once.

Even then that was a completely asinine moment so just ignore it.

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#30194: Mar 17th 2018 at 11:42:22 AM

Apart from planet busting I don't actually get the feeling that Dragonball characters are actually that strong. And I mostly chalk that up to Toriyama not realizing how much energy it takes to do that.

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#30195: Mar 17th 2018 at 11:49:28 AM

Before Kid Buu didn't most planet busting in the manga would involve destroying the core of a planet resulting in it essentially falling apart?

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#30196: Mar 17th 2018 at 11:56:14 AM

No. That is a popular misconception because it's what happened when Frieza destroyed Namek's core. However, this occurred because Frieza held back too much energy, either to avoid being caught in the blast or because he had second thoughts about ragequitting.

Had he not done that, the result would have been an Earth-Shattering Kaboom. This is generally agreed by all parties involved: Goku, Frieza, and Kaio-sama.

However, people in Versus discussions eager to downplay how powerful Dragon Ball characters are quick to leap to it and go, "See? Frieza hit the planet with ALL OF HIS POWER and only caused a slow collapse," so that bit of misinformation gets passed around.

edited 17th Mar '18 11:56:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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#30197: Mar 17th 2018 at 11:57:08 AM

That's what Frieza did. Past that it's never implied anyone is specifically targeting the core.

Edit: When Vegeta says he's going to destroy the Earth, it's never implied he's specifically going to destroy the core either. Though there's a bit of debate over whether he could have at that point or not.

edited 17th Mar '18 11:58:53 AM by LSBK

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#30198: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:05:24 PM

Specifically, the debate around whether Vegeta could destroy the Earth is the same as the one around whether Super Perfect Cell could destroy the Solar System. The character says the attack would do it and nobody disputes it, even though everyone present is capable of sensing the amount of power he's putting into the attack and would consequentially know if he's bluffing.

However, we never actually see it happen, and so for some people, the undisputed claim is insufficient as evidence. Because of this and the misconception surrounding Frieza's Namek shot, there are ultimately three camps on Dragon Ball powers:

  • Vegeta is a planet buster, Cell is a solar system buster.
  • Frieza is a planet buster, Cell is not a solar system buster.
  • Pure Buu is the first true planet buster.

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#30199: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:16:28 PM

"Fastest in the Universe" according to him. In his defense, he probably didn't know about Frieza's transformations. One of two options is possible:
  1. Burter is legitimately faster than both Captain Ginyu and the lowest form of Frieza, but makes up for it with significantly lower strength, durability, energy output, etc. resulting in a lower battle power. Basically, the exact opposite of Super Saiyan Grade III.
  2. Burter is talking out of his ass.

But neither of them back up his claim. Since Guldo is faster than Burter (And Frieza). Since any movement while time is stopped has infinite speed.

So even if 1 is true, Burter can't be faster than Guldo as Guldo is the fastest in the universe (At least till Goku who can outspeed time-skips)

edited 17th Mar '18 12:17:44 PM by Ghilz

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#30200: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:21:23 PM

[up]Does anyone seriously think in those terms? Because that whole line of reasoning always struck me as "welllll, maybe that's technically true, but not in any meaningful sense."

And even then in technical terms, I'm not sure that actually makes sense.

edited 17th Mar '18 12:22:16 PM by LSBK


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