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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#30101: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:02:02 PM

Sometimes being a force of nature means that there's no need for me to worry about their personalities as much.

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#30102: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:02:06 PM

I just googled it, and just from seeing his face I know he has more personality.

Edit: Galactus is force of nature, and yet he has personality.

edited 17th Feb '18 5:03:06 PM by Ikedatakeshi

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#30103: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:04:13 PM

I would say Jiren is kinda boring for the most part in my opinion so the only interested I really have is seeing someone put him in the dirt.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30104: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:05:19 PM

As long as Demongodofchaos 2 isn't tryig to force their opinion on us, I don't think we should be so focused on it.

edited 17th Feb '18 5:05:59 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#30105: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:06:54 PM

The execution is just lacking.

For one Jiren just stands around for the most of the tournament doing absolutely nothing & when he finally does shit that fact he doesn't immediately body a mostly exhausted cast is bullshit.

The fact a Final Explosion used Vegeta can put up even a decent fight against a barely worked Jiren is asinine.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#30106: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:13:04 PM

Maybe Jiren's strength is only relative to those he's currently fighting?

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#30107: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:27:14 PM

Then how does he power up?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#30108: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:31:15 PM

It's just for show...

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#30109: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:37:15 PM

But they can feel his power rising...

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#30110: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:39:22 PM

Suuuuure they can...

How do we know they don't just feel his intimidating presence?

edited 17th Feb '18 5:42:28 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#30111: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:40:01 PM

That was such a weird moment.

He is blatantly powering up, everything's shaking, even stacking multiple aura's on-top of each other, & immediately afterwards he gets pressured like nothing's happened.

Like I know Power Levels are bullshit but its losing actual coherency here.

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#30112: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:10:41 PM

Well, no, there was a noticeable increase in power. Before, he was only slightly overpowering the team of Blue 2 Vegeta and KK Blue Goku, while after powering up, he one-sidedly beats Goku, Vegeta, and 17 at the same time. It's just that Power Levels mean less nowadays so they can still occasionally get some hits in with surprise attacks because there's more of them.

I don't think a character necessarily has to be emotive to be interesting, provided their stoicism and affectlessness is actually an intentional part of their character and is built around something.

I mean, his backstory literally ends with "he discarded his emotions to focus solely on getting stronger".

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30113: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:17:15 PM

It's much less consistent than that. There were scenes of him overpowering them before the power-up, and scenes of them pressuring him after the power-up. Especially directly after the power-up, they go on to push him back like nothing changed.

That's not 'power levels mean less' that's 'the story beats don't line up'.

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#30114: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:28:18 PM

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I don't think a character necessarily has to be emotive to be interesting, provided their stoicism and affectlessness is actually an intentional part of their character and is built around something.

There's the kicker. Jiren is just... there. You could replace him with a tornado and it would achieve the same effect. But even that could be cool if executed right, which Jiren isn't, so his affectlessness works against him instead of for him.

edited 17th Feb '18 9:29:30 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#30115: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:35:14 PM

Inconsistency in who's supposed to be beating who is probably Toei being Toei. I'd say wait and see how the manga handles it. Blue Kaioken isn't even a thing there.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30116: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:43:01 PM

I agree that "Jiren spends 3 episodes fighting Goku and Vegeta at the same time > Powers up > Stomps both them and 17 in one episode" is not an inconsistency.

edited 17th Feb '18 9:44:24 PM by Moth13

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30117: Feb 17th 2018 at 9:48:54 PM

That's not how the chain of events happens Moth. You're leaving out the steps where the fight continues without Jiren's power-up having any noticeable effect, until he later starts winning.

The timing is off.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30118: Feb 17th 2018 at 10:00:52 PM

I mean, he dominates the vast majority of the fight and defeats them. It sounds like what you wanted is for him to one shot everybody.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30119: Feb 17th 2018 at 10:01:56 PM

I mean, he should be able to do that. If they ddidn't want people to wonder why that doesn't happen, they shouldn't have made him so absurdly powerful, and/or give him a good reason for not properly using that power.

edited 17th Feb '18 10:04:00 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#30120: Feb 17th 2018 at 10:02:17 PM

Yes that's exactly what I want.

There is no genuine reason for he shouldn't be doing just that.

Its their fault for making him this ungodly powerful & barely exhausted.

edited 17th Feb '18 10:02:48 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30121: Feb 17th 2018 at 10:11:24 PM

[up][up][up] No, that's not at all what I want and I never said anything to that effect. I will repeat myself again: the point where he starts winning should coincide with the point that he releases his power.

Because the way the episodes play out, it doesn't. And not just in that example - earlier and later episodes have characters fight in smaller numbers and seem to do better, or worse, with no apparent correlation to how much power he is using.

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#30122: Feb 18th 2018 at 1:53:39 AM

The impression I got from Jiren (although this may be influenced from the manga version of him) is that he's not super keen on wiping out other universes or killing in general.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#30123: Feb 18th 2018 at 4:20:45 AM

Freeza was a force of nature in Namek as well, and damn if he didn't have character.

Oh well, gotta see how the manga plays Jiren out; so far it started far better than the anime...

IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#30124: Feb 18th 2018 at 6:37:02 AM

Kid Buu was a force of nature and he was entertaining.

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#30125: Feb 18th 2018 at 7:30:18 AM

Beerus is a force of nature (at least his job is supposed to be a cornerstone of the universe's workings) and he's entertaining.


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