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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30076: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:29:03 PM

I put Jiren under because of how undetailed his backstory is.

At least with Broly you know what happened, born a mutant, almost got assassinated as an infant, & was mind-controlled by his dad for years. Disregarding the crying, adding all that up his rage makes sense.

Jiren his family was killed by an "evil-doer". That's it, so vague & poorly executed that it just feels thrown in.

edited 17th Feb '18 3:29:23 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30077: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:30:42 PM

Yeah the crying baby thing is dumb, but the rest of his backstory (sentenced to death at birth because he's a freak, survived Vegeta's destruction for the same reason, mind controlled by his dad) are all more interesting than anything out of Jiren's backstory.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#30078: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:30:49 PM

Nah, I'll still take "Missing details" to "Details are so fucking stupid"

Again. Crying Baby.

"survived Vegeta's destruction for the same reason"

Should add that to the stupid pile next to the baby bit. Apparently Baby Broly can breathe in space the way the scene plays out.

edited 17th Feb '18 3:32:00 PM by Ghilz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30079: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:32:07 PM

When they're both pretty shitty, is there really a point to arguing which is shittier?

edited 17th Feb '18 3:34:49 PM by LSBK

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#30080: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:32:30 PM

Have you ever been in this thread?

Yes. Yes there is.

edited 17th Feb '18 3:32:40 PM by Ghilz

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30081: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:33:45 PM

I'll defend the guy that actually fucking emotes.

Besides he's crazy. He can get pissed at whatever he wants.

Also he created a force-field around himself & his dad to survive Vegeta's destruction.

edited 17th Feb '18 3:34:07 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30082: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:34:17 PM

[up][up][up][up] And I don't let Single-Issue Wonk ruin everything for me. One detail of his backstory is stupid. The rest outweigh Jiren's measly one.

Also, Goku/Bardock can breath in space apparently.

edited 17th Feb '18 3:34:24 PM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30083: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:35:41 PM

Breathing in space is like flying in the Tournament of Power. Only certain people are supposed to be able to do it, but it keeps getting ignored.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#30084: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:46:22 PM

A character who has any emotion at all but a not great backstory will always win out over a character with less emotion than cardboard and an average backstory for me.

This song needs more love.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#30085: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:51:58 PM

Broly's emotions are limited to rage and schadenfreude. He's not a good example of an emotive character. Technically, Jiren's expressed a little bit more emotional range, even if his emotions are a lot more subdued.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#30086: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:57:26 PM

You don't need a wide range of emotions to be emotive. Broly is very emotive, even with his narrow focus.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30087: Feb 17th 2018 at 3:57:31 PM

People! People!

They both suck. End of story.

Seriously. Lets. Stop. Now.

One Strip! One Strip!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30088: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:00:48 PM

I'll say this much. I can at least understand why anyone would fanboy over Broly. What in the ever living fuck has Jiren done to earn the moniker of anyone's favorite antagonist?

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#30089: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:00:54 PM

Alternatively, I have an opinion like me in that neither of them suck.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30090: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:06:25 PM

Well it seems you have a thing for Stronk guys, so that makes sense.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30091: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:27:34 PM

[up][up]That's pretty standard for me...

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#30092: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:30:16 PM

If what floats your boat are big strong muscular guys with no personality...

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30093: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:37:20 PM

If stories can work with no characters, then yes.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30094: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:41:06 PM

Well that sounds dreadfully boring.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30095: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:43:27 PM

Perfect for Randomness.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#30096: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:44:51 PM

I don't think a character necessarily has to be emotive to be interesting, provided their stoicism and affectlessness is actually an intentional part of their character and is built around something.

Jiren's issue is he also has no personality, a very weak and backloaded backstory, and is ultimately defined solely by his power level, which when combined with his affectlessness makes him just boring.

He makes an okay obstacle, but that's all he is; an inanimate object to overcome.

edited 17th Feb '18 4:56:05 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#30097: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:48:45 PM

Kai did eventually get around to making a Buu arc though.

That was the joke.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30098: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:52:49 PM

[up][up]It doesn't seem he intends to have a backlog of interesting story.

edited 17th Feb '18 4:53:04 PM by randomness4

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#30099: Feb 17th 2018 at 4:57:52 PM

I'm a fanboy of Yujiro Hanma, so I guess you're all right about that.

Buts that's the opinion I'm sticking to.

Watch Symphogear
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30100: Feb 17th 2018 at 5:00:05 PM

I don't even read/watch the manga/anime Hanma is from & yet I know he's got more personality than Jiren does.

You could replace Jiren with a robot & nothing would change....... huh that be better actually.

[up][up] Which is disappointing.

edited 17th Feb '18 5:00:33 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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