I'd like to point out that not aging isn't even unique to Goten and Trunks; Marron isn't aging either, and she seems like she might even be a bit younger. Because of its nostalgia boner, Super steadfastly sticks to the track of changing as little as possible about the characters.
edited 11th Feb '18 2:08:47 PM by LSBK
She looks the appropriate height she should've been back in DBZ.
But she's suppose to be older now, so she should be the same height.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Yeah, I dunno what's up with Marron. Occasionally, she's drawn a little bit taller than in Z, but she's also drawn even shorter sometimes, all Depending on the Artist. She's never drawn older than Trunks in the Buu Saga, which she should be. Occasionally, the writing will have her say something somewhat mature for her appearance, but that's Depending on the Writer.
Actually, maybe she inherited Krillin's shortness. She's not that much shorter than her dad was in his introduction, and she's a few years younger than him at that point, too.
edited 11th Feb '18 2:07:22 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Krillin's canon adult height is 5 feet tall, and Wikipedia says that the ceiling for dwarfism is usually 4'10", though it also mentions individuals taller than that.
For comparison's sake, this is Krillin at age 13
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Holy shit! Danny Devito is just barely above the height of a dwarf?
I had no idea.
One Strip! One Strip!Goku being 12 at the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai is the one and only time he has ever directly stated his age and not been mistaken. It's the only reliable point of reference for his age, period. While also being a convenient point of reference for his age through the first part of the series because the Tenkaichi Budokai provides neat three-year intervals.
That's completely dishonest. Goku mentioning his age as 12 at the 21st Budokai is what references his age in the first arc. He explains, through that, that he originally thought he was 14 because he thought that was the number that comes after 11. First arc Goku = the number after 11. If his statement that he is 12 in the Budokai is reliable, then so is his statement that he is 12 in the first arc. Else you have to throw both of them out and you have nothing.
Not directly, no. Goku says "i can't believe it's morning already, but I've come far". That line REALLY doesn't fit with him travelling for multiple mornings and coming far as a result of that. Especially not four months of doing so.
It's not made direct but it's pretty obvious what the intent was there. And Goku makes no mention of having to wait for the radar to find a signal.
End of the day, what this comes down to is these three plot points:
- Goku was 12 while searching for the Dragon Balls eight months before the Tournament, because he was 12 at the tournament and the number after 11 is 12, as Goku demonstrated by counting in front of the live tournament audience.
- Goku was 12 at the Tournament, because he said he was 12 at the Tournament when asked his age.
- The Dragon Balls were active the following morning despite needing another four months to become active.
So resolving that comes down to which counterpoint you think is most likely:
- Goku was actually 11 eight months before the Tournament because his statement that 12 comes after 11 had nothing to do with his original story to Bulma, who wasn't even part of the conversation. Also the eight month time-gap was secretly longer than eight months so that the Dragon Balls could become active during it.
- Goku was actually 13 at the Tournament and only said he was 12 because he's a lying liar-person who would never answer a question about his age honestly. And also the eight month time-gap was secretly longer than eight months.
- The time-skip between the Tournament and Goku finding his first Dragon Ball was longer than a single night.
Or some combination thereof.
edited 12th Feb '18 7:35:30 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Honestly, at this point I just feel like we're arguing the basic premise of, "Was Goku 12 at that time when he absolutely and unquestionably said he was 12?"
edited 12th Feb '18 8:56:17 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Which in itself misses some previous nostalgic potential. Dragon Ball is still one of the few battle shonens where we get to see characters grow over time (and not in a single important time skip either, like Naruto or One Piece, but over the course of multiple arcs). I would feel very nostalgic if Supers ever bothered to try to capture this feeling back.
PS:You know, thinking about it a bit more made me really appreciate Toriyama's skills as an artist. When thinking of the time skips I mostly remember how the child characters changed (Goku, Gohan, Trunks, etc), but in fact pretty much everyone got noticeable older with time. Even Kuririn looks clearly more like an adult in "Z" than he was in the beginning, despite his design not really changing at all. It speaks of his skills to be able to draw noticeable subtle details to convey that, even in his very simplistic art style.
(of course, he still gets lazy sometimes. Goku's design froze after the Sayan arc, and Bulma's parent look exactly the same throughout the whole series)
edited 12th Feb '18 10:17:50 AM by Heatth
I don't really understand the nostalgia reasoning. Grown up Trunks would basically be an excuse to have Future Trunks around permanently and people are way more nostalgic for him.
This song needs more love.Grown up Trunks would be waaaaay different to Future Trunks because he doesn't have the Iron Woobie backstory or the cool moments.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I mean, I'm going to believe the one about the time period between the tournament and him finding the dragonballs being at least 4 months since that's the simplest one that resolves the main problem - the dragonballs simply do not reactivate in less than a year.
I'm going to agree with Taiga that Goku has to be at least 12 by the first arc since he implies it's the number after 11 - which he thought was 14. I don't think there's really any other way to interpret that. If he said "because it's the number after 10" then maybe, but otherwise, no.
edited 12th Feb '18 1:07:35 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"The Briefs family hasn't aged because they wished for eternal youth. Since the power of the wish was split between two people they just became unaging. This is also why they already had one ball: They had used them before and managed to keep hold of one like Goku did with the four star ball that one time.
Obviously.

No, they're not. At least, I've never used him saying he's 14 in the first arc to determine his age, given that it's explicitly unreliable.
Goku being 12 at the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai is the one and only time he has ever directly stated his age and not been mistaken. It's the only reliable point of reference for his age, period. While also being a convenient point of reference for his age through the first part of the series because the Tenkaichi Budokai provides neat three-year intervals.
By contrast, why would anyone ever use Goku's introduction to Bulma as the frame of reference for his age? At what point does the series say something like, "It's been six years since Goku and his friends battled Pilaf"? The tournaments are how we judge the length of time that's passed in the early part of the series; it's not anything to do with Goku and Bulma's original Dragon Ball hunt.
Goku and Bulma's Dragon Ball hunt is relevant only to the fact that over one year must have passed by the time the Red Ribbon Army comes up and then never again.
No, we don't. We see Goku depart from the Budokai and that's the end of a chapter. Then a new chapter begins with a morning, some indeterminate amount of time later, where Goku's following his first blip on the radar. Nothing says this is the next morning.
edited 11th Feb '18 7:55:35 AM by TobiasDrake
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