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#29876: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:12:50 PM

In the first arc, he's 14 with an asterisk. The asterisk being that Goku doesn't know how to count and thus isn't actually 14. However, Goku is explicitly 12 at the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. After his match with Giran, the Announcer asks his age and he gives it as 12, then explains why he was wrong about being 14 before.

Then Goku goes off to battle the Red Ribbon Army, collect the Dragon Balls, and resurrect Bora. He says goodbye to his friends and they break, but before they do, they agree to meet at the next Tenkaichi Budokai. Kame-sennin states that the tournament is held "every 3 years".

Thus, how long Goku spent fighting the RRA is irrelevent, because the three year time span is between tournaments, not the full length of the timeskip. The 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai being 3 years past the 21st, Goku is 15 at the time of it.

edited 10th Feb '18 11:13:44 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29877: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:31:47 PM

Yeah, but that creates a plot hole with the DB s seemingly reactivating after 8 months instead of 12. There needs to be another 4 months somewhere, and if it's during the training (before the tournament announcement) then Goku has to be 13 for the Budokai.

I know that's inconsistent, but his age isn't referenced after that, so it's one or the other. I prefer to think the Dragon Balls weren't activated 8 months after they were used. And it can't be while he's fighting the RRA either because the Dragon Balls are active at the start of the arc.

edited 10th Feb '18 11:32:14 PM by Saiga

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#29878: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:38:41 PM

Yes, it is one of the more well-known plotholes in early Dragon Ball. It's still a plothole even if you say it's been 12 months, because the Red Ribbon Army are talking like they've been searching for the things for months.

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#29879: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:49:56 PM

It can still work with the idea that they've recently been reactivated as we the only timeframe we're given is that the RRA found one of the balls the day before Goku encounters Silver.

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#29880: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:09:19 AM

Alternately, he could have been 11 when he told Bulma he was 14.

Goku says at the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai that he's 12. Krillin raises a stink about it because Goku had previously said he's 14, which Bulma is also bothered by because he told her that too. Goku explains that Kame-sennin taught him to count since then and that the number after 11 is 12.

Now, this can be taken to mean that Goku said he was 14 because he thought 14 was the number after 11. But another reading of it could be that Goku's bringing up 11 being before 12 simply as a means of demonstrating his now-developed counting skill.

If Goku was 11 when Shenron was summoned the first time, then he can turn 12 during the eight months that pass before the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai. After the tournament, Goku takes the Dragon Radar and sets off to find the Four-Star Ball, which will ultimately put him into conflict with Red Ribbon.

The extra four months (plus change to account for how long Red Ribbon was searching themselves) can then happen between the tournament and Goku first getting a blip on the radar for a Dragon Ball.

edited 11th Feb '18 12:10:46 AM by TobiasDrake

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#29881: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:28:10 AM

That makes the least amount of sense out of all the options. You may as well throw out all the references to his age, because they're based on what he originally said in the first arc.

But let's go with the 8 months plot hole for a bit - that still means the youngest he can be at the 21st Budokai is 12 years and 8 months. So he's 15 years and 8 months at the 22nd - Daimao arc. Closer to 16 than 15 fresh at that stage.

He's also closer to Goten's age than Goten is to 23rd Budokai Goku. Because 23rd Budokai Goku is 18 and 8 months.

The extra four months also make less sense there since we see Goku depart from the Budokai and immediately cut to the next morning where he has the first reading.

edited 11th Feb '18 12:28:53 AM by Saiga

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#29882: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:35:40 AM

Maybe you didn't see my edit to my post at the bottom of the page, but it was pretty simple. Maybe Saiyan growth spurt ages fluctuate depending on the individual just like Earthling growth spurt ages. Maybe Goku was just a late bloomer, even for a Saiyan.

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#29883: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:42:26 AM

I saw that but that doesn't mean a whole lot. I already consider Goku the outlier.

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#29884: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:52:55 AM

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman is still canon, and Jaco explained that as something inherent to Saiyans.

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#29885: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:02:57 AM

Still not relevant to the hybrid Saiyans.

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#29886: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:05:22 AM

Unless it's a genetic trait that they may or may not inherit. So far, we have two examples of half-Saiyans who aged like Humans and two examples of half-Saiyans who age like Saiyans. Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.

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#29887: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:11:03 AM

Goten and present Trunks don't age like Saiyans. They don't age at all, unlike Goku who clearly grew even when he was shorter than he was supposed to be.

Prior to Super every Saiyan hybrid was shown ageing normally.

Also, assuming that f Trunks and p Trunks have different DNA without any evidence of this and the story telling you they're the same person is a pretty baseless rationalization of inconsistency.

edited 11th Feb '18 1:14:43 AM by Saiga

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#29888: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:28:13 AM

The year that the Trunks special happened is the same year as the current arc in Super, Trunks should look like this

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#29889: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:30:27 AM

I mean, they have different hair color in the current canon, they pretty obviously have different genes.

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#29890: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:33:12 AM

But whas the significance of that now?

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#29891: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:34:54 AM

It indicates that the two Trunks' aging differently may not be an inconsistency, but rather something explainable in canon.

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#29892: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:39:55 AM

I think it's just laziness.

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#29893: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:46:29 AM

It's definitely laziness given that Goku was still able to age.

And the hair thing is obviously a retcon, that's a terrible argument when the hair colour changed between mediums.

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#29894: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:53:10 AM

Inconsistent retcon...

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#29895: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:59:05 AM

Yeah, but it's a retcon that still exists in canon. Trunks has reanimated flashbacks where he has blue hair, and Bulma specifically asks if the boy in the time machine has blue hair. Unless present Trunks is also apparently supposed to have blue hair, the two Trunks have different hair colors.

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#29896: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:01:08 AM

it doesn't exist in the manga version, they're said to have the same hair colour there.

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#29897: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:03:00 AM

He also has non-reanimated flashbacks where he still has purp hair.

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#29898: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:04:37 AM

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edited 11th Feb '18 2:06:59 AM by Ikedatakeshi

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#29899: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:36:05 AM

Its amusing how Gohan peaked already & he's not even 30 yet.

edited 11th Feb '18 2:36:22 AM by slimcoder

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#29900: Feb 11th 2018 at 7:17:30 AM

I'm just gonna let you guys keep nerding out over interpretations of canon while I wait for the next Abridged discussion.

I also had no idea that the What If? I posted earlier was canon to anything. I don't read Jaco.

edited 11th Feb '18 7:18:08 AM by wanderlustwarrior


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