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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#29851: Feb 10th 2018 at 6:59:24 PM

In the Goku Black saga, who is older, Gohan or Future Trunks?

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#29852: Feb 10th 2018 at 7:14:31 PM

Trunks. The two timelines progress at an equal pace to one another, which means that the age gap between Gohan and Trunks in the Cell arc is still in place.

edited 10th Feb '18 7:14:41 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29853: Feb 10th 2018 at 7:21:52 PM

No, Trunks and Goten never age, so Future Trunks is still 16~.

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#29854: Feb 10th 2018 at 7:27:14 PM

In their defense, neither did Goku. He was fifteen years old when he fought Piccolo Daimao and he looked like this nonetheless. It was only in the time gap between that and the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai that he spontaneously did all of his aging at once.

Between the four datapoints, Gohan is the freak. Weird-ass kid and his gradual aging process.

edited 10th Feb '18 7:27:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29855: Feb 10th 2018 at 7:29:09 PM

Yeah, but Future Trunks did seem to age normally, and yet for some reason Present Trunks doesn't.

edited 10th Feb '18 8:31:11 PM by LSBK

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#29856: Feb 10th 2018 at 7:31:47 PM

That's just because Trunks changed history!

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What? If Trunks's intervention can cause Dr. Gero to make more androids with shittier parts, it can explain this.

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#29857: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:02:32 PM

Future Trunks' arrival caused Vegeta and Bulma to have sex 1 day later, causing present Trunks to have slightly different genes. But seriously, present Gohan is 22 or so in the Future Trunks arc and Future Trunks is like 30.

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#29858: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:09:45 PM

<.< That's actually not unreasonable, now that I think about it.

The dire warning of the future that Trunks gave everyone put them into hard training mode for the next three years. While it can be presumed that Vegeta would have spent that time training anyway because of how he is, the warning from the future would still have impacted his behavior, Bulma's behavior, and potentially Yamcha's behavior which may or may not be relevant depending on the events of the three years between.

With the Butterfly Effect in motion, it's almost impossible that Vegeta and Bulma would have conceived Trunks at the exact same moment in the new timeline. In fact, I'd go so far as to call it unlikely that Vegeta would even have fertilized the same egg of Bulma's.

Present Trunks could be a wholly separate person entirely from Future Trunks; more akin to a temporal sibling spawned from the same parents than a parallel version of the same exact guy. It's possible that he has as much in common with Future Trunks genetically as Bra does.

edited 10th Feb '18 8:11:08 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29859: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:13:19 PM

I'm now picturing an actual Princess Trunks from all this.

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#29860: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:18:30 PM

That would explain the hair... and the brattiness...

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#29861: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:32:34 PM

What if Saiyans grow in spurts, and that's just another bizarre biological trait like the hair of a full-blooded Saiyan?

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#29862: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:53:36 PM

Then that wouldn't explain Gohan and Future Trunks?

Prior to Super Goku was the only example we had of that, compared to two Saiyans who aged more normally. Given Goten's size in the epilogue where he's about 16-17 years old, he should be ageing normally as well.

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#29863: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:57:20 PM

That's not a what-if. That's canon, from the Jaco manga. He says that Saiyans stay looking like children longer than Humans to make their enemies let their guard down.

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#29864: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:42:08 PM

Since Gohan's only half-Saiyan, he might not have inherited the genes for spontaneous growth spurt aging from his father, whereas Goten did. Trunks inherited them in one timeline but not the other.

Goku's the only pure-blooded Saiyan we've ever watched age over the course of the series.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:42:28 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29865: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:45:55 PM

Drawing conclusions from a single example is ill-advised.

And EoZ Goten is closer to 22nd-KP Goku than anything else (both should be close to 16 years old) but looks normal.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:47:09 PM by Saiga

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#29866: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:06:11 PM

End of Z Goten might have hit his growth spurt already.

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#29867: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:09:57 PM

Y'mean like a normal person?

This is requiring multiple levels of unsupported rationalizations to justify.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:10:06 PM by Saiga

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#29868: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:12:01 PM

Assuming that Saiyans remain childlike until they spontaneously hit a growth spurt that catches them up to a normal person's level of physical maturity, yes, Goten certainly would resemble a normal person after hitting his growth spurt.

It's the part before the growth spurt that makes it unusual. Like Goten and Trunks being 12 and 13 in Super, respectively, but still looking identical to when they were 7 and 8.

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#29869: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:13:02 PM

Yeah, but Goten hitting his growth spurt around the age where Goku was unusually small doesn't lend much credence to the theory that Goten was meant to age as the same rate as him.

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#29870: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:14:02 PM

But he did get taller...around the 22nd Budokai.

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#29871: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:15:17 PM

Which is true, it's not like Goku had one growth spurt. He definitely aged, just appeared younger than he should have.

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#29872: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:36:40 PM

At the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku gives us his age as 12 years old. He'd previously said he was 14, but Kame-sennin taught him how to count and he realized he'd been mistaken. Three years later, the 22nd occurs, followed immediately by the battle with Piccolo Daimao. At this time, Goku is 15. Then, three years later at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku is 18.

When Goku makes his wish for Pure Buu to be reincarnated, Goten is 7. When Goku meets Uub at the Tenkaichi Budokai, he's 10, indicating the length of time that has passed. Goten, therefore, is 17.

Thus, Epilogue Goten's age equivalent to Goku falls on the tail-end of Goku's offscreen training with God, during which he at some point matured to the adult body we see at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:37:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29873: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:46:55 PM

Goku is 12 in the first arc. The 21st Budokai is 8 months later. The RRA arc has the dragon balls reactivated, so it must be one year after Goku was 12. Then we get a three year timeskip.

There are seven years between Cell and Boo. Given Goten's conception, and the dates given in the series, he's actually 6 at the 25th Budokai. Add ten years to that.

Both closest to 16.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:47:08 PM by Saiga

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#29874: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:09:17 PM

Nah, Goku said he was 12 during the 21st. Clearly, he was actually 11 during the first arc. Also, maybe Saiyan growth spurt age varies just like Human growth spurt age does.

edited 10th Feb '18 11:09:56 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#29875: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:10:02 PM

Nope. He said he was 14 in the first arc, and then corrected himself in the 21st by saying that he thought 14 was the number after 11.

In the first arc, Goku's age is the number after 11.


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