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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#29651: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:53:00 PM

In FighterZ is it even possible to play as NON-Super Saiyan Goku?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#29652: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:54:16 PM

[up] No.

All Saiyan characters (except Nappa) are locked in Super Saiyan form.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29653: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:55:09 PM

base Goku and Vegeta are rumoured as DLC. I know there's enough to make movesets for them, but... I really hope they're not.

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#29654: Jan 26th 2018 at 1:57:02 PM

Nope. There two Gokus and two Vegetas, SS1 and SSB. To which I say good riddance. Arcsys Dragon Ball games have always had 2 or 3 versions of Goku and Vegeta, and they always included the base forms before, which at this point in the franchise is wholly unnecessary. Blue is more relevant than Base is, and has just as much character potential. The only thing lost is Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb, and the former is used the same way as SS3, as part of Blue Goku's ultimate.

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#29655: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:09:39 PM

Double-post, but I still hope that Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku, inevitable as it may be, isn't a separate character, but is instead a temporary Level 7 Install Super for Blue Goku when he reaches 0 health with 7 bars of meter. It should constantly drain meter to stay up, and while in it, Goku automatically dodges all attacks. If Goku runs out of meter, he loses the form and returns to Blue with 1 health.

He can charge ki to replenish his meter, but it drains faster than it can be replenished with any other method, like landing combos. Also, to keep from just charging meter blindly, he can't do it while dodging and his charge takes a little bit of time to get going. He also loses a little bit of meter with every dodge. UIO Goku has a few meter-draining attacks, but not many. His Level 3 is the badass Kamehameha he used against Kafla, where he can slide across the top of any beam attacks fired at him. Might work as a counter, might not.

edited 26th Jan '18 2:11:25 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#29656: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:14:07 PM

I still really want that Super Saiyan Nappa DLC with how much everyone rags on him in the story mode for being the only one who can't go Super Saiyan.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#29657: Jan 26th 2018 at 3:15:39 PM

I don't want Base Goku but I do want Kid Goku, if you guys get me.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29658: Jan 26th 2018 at 7:17:37 PM

Just finished the Freeza Saga. Damn that was epic. Though keep in mind, I haven't actually watched/read the whole OG Freeza Saga from start to finish. It just ended up feeling kind of drawn out and meandering compared to what came before. And this was the manga version. So I'm not sure how the DBZA version really compares.

Still fucking kickass though.

edited 26th Jan '18 7:18:07 PM by kkhohoho

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#29659: Jan 26th 2018 at 7:46:48 PM

One thing I really like about TFS is that they do a good job of retaining a lot of the drama and tension. Their take on the villains is hilarious, yet still incredibly menacing. Like, having a grand epic force of terror, the most powerful mortal being in the universe, a man who turned genocide into a profitable industry, resort to a children's playground bullying is the kind of thing that could easily just completely defang a character's threat.

But Frieza plays it off perfectly.

  • Frieza: Quit hitting yourself! Quit hitting yourself! Quit hitting yourself!
  • Vegeta: (''whine") You're the one that's hitting me.
  • Frieza: Au contraire, Vegeta. You brought this upon yourself.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#29660: Jan 26th 2018 at 7:54:06 PM

I still think his response to Goku sending his friends away is his best line:

"Because... suicide is the coward's way out."

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#29661: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:00:11 PM

The villains are just given striking lines of dialogue that combines comedy & menace into pure perfection.

I particularly love Frieza's habit of keeping track of all the different types of heroic speeches he hears because for a guy like him & in his line of work it makes so much sense.

I also love his reaction to Goku's time in Hell: "Are you real?"

edited 26th Jan '18 8:00:45 PM by slimcoder

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#29662: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:02:51 PM

I'm partial to this exchange.

  • Frieza: Oh please, everyone's always on about the children. I've already tried leaving them alive, but all they do is grow up under my rule or dedicate their pathetic lives to revenge. Usually both. Really, killing them is a kindness. I can retract that kindness if you wish. But then who's the villain?
  • Goku: You.
  • Frieza: N...no. That was a rhetorical question.
  • Goku: And I gave you a rhetorical answer!
  • Frieza: Good lord, I traded Vegeta for this.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:03:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#29663: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:06:23 PM

Really, the writing in this is just godly. And it's supposed to be a fan parody! The fact that the writing in a fan parody is so frigging A-calibur, it just blows my frigging mind.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:10:33 PM by kkhohoho

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#29664: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:09:04 PM

[up][up] Leave it to Frieza to make killing children sensible.

Like seriously he makes so much sense that's its hard to argue with him. You are only left with the moral argument.

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#29665: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:09:54 PM

Like, and that's just Freeza, wait till you get to Cell.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29666: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:12:43 PM

I'm of the mind that the wrting only works because it's a parody. A lot of the dialogue that works well here would be terrible in the real thing. As would many of the voices.

It's actually a bit irritating to me that a not-insignificant number of people think otherwise.

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#29667: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:14:20 PM

It's like if Dragon Ball still suffered Cerebus Syndrome but never actually stopped being a gag manga.

Awesome, in others words.

Also, Abridged Recoome is a million times better than Canon Recoome and I will fight you over it.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:14:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#29668: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:34:32 PM

I've always really liked

  • Frieza: Well Vegeta, now that we're done here it's time to send you crying home to mummy.

  • Vegeta: My mother's dead.

  • Frieza: *smiling* I know.

@Slimcoder: I really don't think that is supposed to be the takeaway.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:35:06 PM by Moth13

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#29669: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:35:05 PM

[up][up][up]Some of it "could" work in the real deal...

It's not all bound by the fact that it's parodical writing,...I mean a lot of DB's villains aren't meant to be comedic like that so it won't work for them.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:37:59 PM by randomness4

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#29670: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:35:28 PM

Yeah, it's really not. It's just another part of Freeza's monstrous sociopathy.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29671: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:38:30 PM

I didn't say "all", I said "a lot". The one liners and such are cool and love them, but if the real thing were filled with them it would be (rightly) derided as try-hard and embarrassing.

There are some emotional moments here I think work better than the work proper. And then there are others that I don't...

edited 26th Jan '18 8:39:15 PM by LSBK

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#29672: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:39:34 PM

The in-jokes already ensure that it can't stand by itself.

This song needs more love.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#29673: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:40:02 PM

I mean, some of it, but I'd actually say from the late Freeza saga and onwards you could take the whole deal with a few changes and it would work as a serious show.

Some of the fight scenes for instance are legitimately better paced than in the original show; a lot of the character arcs make more sense as well. There's also the fact that it doesn't take anywhere near as long as the original show to watch and therefore has significantly better pacing, regardless of actual content. Pacing is the real killer for a lot of these long running shows.

Oh, and it's not just Recoome. The whole Abridginyu Force shits all over the canon Ginyu Force in terms of personality.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:44:14 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29674: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:43:05 PM

I mean, "better" pacing is just more about the format. They get choice how long they make each episode. That's not the case when working on the real thing.

And I'd also disagree about character arcs making more sense. Characters fit better with things fans commonly project onto them (like Chi-Chi) but that's about it.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:44:01 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#29675: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:45:09 PM

I'm going to point out one example: Bulma ditching Yamcha for Vegeta makes waaaaay more sense than Yamcha cheating on her given her characterisation.

Also, yeah, they're not under that restriction, but that's not the point. That's the reason why but it doesn't make the original, or Kai even, any better paced than Abridged. Maybe they'd do a worse job under those restrictions, but they're not, so they don't.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:47:51 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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