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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#29376: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:18:22 PM

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Cell (Final Form) (Fuse with Kami) (Scouter)

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#29377: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:20:45 PM

I thought Cell had bug DNA to facilitate his metamorphosis. Bugs are the only creatures famous for their ability to completely alter their physiology between stages.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#29378: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:26:18 PM

Frieza's race (which really should have a name).

[up]Also, amphibians.

edited 11th Jan '18 3:27:30 PM by wanderlustwarrior

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#29379: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:30:17 PM

Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan God Legendary Super Saiyan Super Perfect Oozaru Cell (Final Form) (Potential Unlocked) (Kaioken x20) (Scouter)

edited 11th Jan '18 3:31:28 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#29380: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:33:22 PM

[up][up] It might reduce the appeal of Freeza but yes, it really should.

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#29381: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:35:03 PM

[up][up] Well, do you want Cell to look a frog? Bugs also have the creepiness factor.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29382: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:54:40 PM

Piccolo is not one of the Dragon Clan. The wiki made that up, he is identified as fighting caste in the manga.

His magic isn't identified as being Demon Clan exclusive.

Anyway, I agree with Tobias that the Super Balls are very arbitrary. We got a detailed explanation for them, but that doesn't really give us a reason why they work in the specifics that they do.

Being split among universe 6 and 7 might have made sense if they were always linked to Namekians, but from the explanation it sounds like the balls were created and then the Namekians took inspiration from them, so no further link to it.

Also, it's hard enough to have tension in the story when you have two sets of balls in the story, especially with how few limitations are on Namek's balls.

Having a set of balls with NO limitations on what could be granted seem like a terrible idea. Though we've only seen the Gods capable of collecting them due to scale, we don't need more cheat devices.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#29383: Jan 11th 2018 at 3:57:36 PM

But if Kami isn't a member of the Dragon clan, then how did he make the Dragonballs?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#29384: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:18:48 PM

Remember that time Kami tried to take over the Earth, or when he killed two saiyans with a shot?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29385: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:28:34 PM

[up][up] He IS Dragon Clan. Piccolo Junior is a warrior-type born from his Demon Clan father.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#29386: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:30:38 PM

I'm pretty sure Demon Clan isn't a namekian thing like Dragon/Warrior clans are.

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#29387: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:42:14 PM

Having a set of balls with NO limitations on what could be granted seem like a terrible idea. Though we've only seen the Gods capable of collecting them due to scale, we don't need more cheat devices.

Super's really bad about cheat devices, too. I still can't believe that the Zamasu problem was solved by having Goku ring up the King of All to unmake him. At least the devastating consequences of that make it unlikely that Goku will do this again, but it still seems like a really cheap way to resolve the conflict.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#29388: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:51:48 PM

There may well be namekians in other universes. Universe 2 had a Yardrat.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29389: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:52:59 PM

Apparently Universe 2 (and 11 as well, you'd think) is their native Universe and some just moved to Universe 7 awhile ago for some reason.

So other Namekians are possible, but shouldn't be counted on.

edited 11th Jan '18 4:53:44 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29390: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:00:14 PM

[up][up][up][up] It's a little unclear because 'Mazoku' appears in Japanese media quite frequently in as a concept, but the naming makes me feel in Daimao's case it's meant to serve as his caste as well. It really just means he's an evil Dragon Clan, though.

[up][up] Yeah, that was just hypothetical on how they could justify the Super Balls.

edited 11th Jan '18 5:01:27 PM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#29391: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:02:55 PM

[up] The thing is, characters who know nothing about Namekians are still aware of the context of demons (like King Yenma, I believe).

Also, I don't think Kami would split into a being with two different clans. Now, Piccolo Jr. being a different clan makes sense (that King Piccolo would choose to reincarnate into a stronger fighter also makes sense). So King Piccolo was originally a Dragon Clansman as per Kami, but when he spat out Piccolo Jr. he chose to reincarnate as a Warrior Clansman so he could have greater power/aptitude for combat, which would explain why he's stronger as Piccolo Jr. in only a few years than he was in his prime as King Piccolo.

edited 11th Jan '18 5:04:55 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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#29392: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:14:21 PM

Majin Ultra Instinct Golden Full-Power Power-Weighted Time Breaker Supervillainous Super Saiyan God Legendary Super Saiyan Rose 4 Grade II Super Perfect Oozaru Merged Baby Meta-Cell X (Final Form) (Gulranchi (Guldo x Dr. Ranchi (Ranfan x Dr. Raichi Potara fusion) Metamoran fusion) (Scouter) Absorbed) (Angered) (Half-Corrupted) (Potential Unlocked) (Kaioken x20) (Scouter)

edited 11th Jan '18 5:14:53 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#29393: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:15:04 PM

Huh. Yeah, if Namekians can choose the clan of their offspring then that makes total sense for the discrepancy in Piccolo and God's clans. Piccolo was just like, "Hmph! My next life's going to be the fighter-type Namekian and kick Goku's ass."

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#29394: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:05:48 PM

Whether Zalama and Super Shenron are one and the same entity is ambiguous, and changes based on translation. The manga said that they are, the anime said they aren't, the Funi dub of the anime says they are, and everyone calling the dragon "Super Shenron" makes them look like dicks if Bulma already knows that his name is Zalama. Personally, I think they are one and the same.

Also, Zalama didn't technically patent the Dragon Balls themselves, just the design facet that makes the stars inside look the same to all viewers, regardless of their location relative to the balls.

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#29395: Jan 11th 2018 at 11:04:04 PM

Rewatching some old episodes, around the second or third to the last.

I aspire to make weaker characters as badass as TFS did with Tien.

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#29396: Jan 12th 2018 at 4:57:10 AM

I sort of want a small retcon that Trunks spirit-swording Zamasu incident was a result of Trunks unconsciously tapping into an Ultra Instinct-like power. That mostly makes sense in context of that fight, and neatly handles most of the power scaling issues.

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#29397: Jan 12th 2018 at 5:20:42 AM

[up] No. That still doesn't make it make sense since Trunks has A. never used the spirit bomb before B. ever seen the spirit bomb be used C. ever met King Kai (as far as I'm aware)

edited 12th Jan '18 5:20:53 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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#29398: Jan 12th 2018 at 5:39:57 AM

It was the power of FRIENDSHIP and all that good stuff. Considering that power levels are known to fluctuate depending on one's emotional state, I find that a plenty decent explanation.

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#29399: Jan 12th 2018 at 5:44:53 AM

[up] Putting aside that argument's merits or lack thereof, none of that changes the fact that Trunks was able to perform a technique he has no idea how to use. More to the point, one which he likely has no idea exists.

edited 12th Jan '18 5:45:21 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#29400: Jan 12th 2018 at 5:54:40 AM

[up] Yeah, but it looks dope AF. That's what matters.

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