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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#29301: Jan 9th 2018 at 7:48:05 PM

He could train on a super heavy distant planet. Or on a spaceship orbiting a black hole.

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#29302: Jan 9th 2018 at 7:53:59 PM

And who's gonna give him a spaceship?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#29303: Jan 9th 2018 at 11:59:40 PM

He'll just get in a large box and fly as fast as he can to the closest planet

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#29304: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:16:48 AM

Who's gonna stop him from just taking the spaceship if he wants it? He's the 1B most powerful being on Earth and the 3B most powerful being in the universe.

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#29305: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:46:35 AM

1B? 3B? Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with that terminology. All that comes to my head is B being short for Billion.

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#29306: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:46:40 AM

4th strongest.

edited 10th Jan '18 12:47:01 AM by Ikedatakeshi

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#29307: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:49:11 AM

1B to Goku's 1A, and 3B to Goku's 3A.

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#29308: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:51:41 AM

I can honestly say that I've never heard of that particular way to say "tied for 1st" and "tied for 3rd".

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#29309: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:55:13 AM

And inaccurate, considering Goku has Kaioken.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#29310: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:51:06 AM

The Kaioken Toei likes to use but the manga outright ignores? The 20x multiplier that the story outright dimisses when talking about power rankings?

Without Kaioken the narrative makes more sense.

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#29311: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:17:08 AM

Yeah, but then you still have the problem of Vegetto in both mediums. Vegetto single-handedly kills all sane notions of power-scaling Blue Goku and Vegeta anywhere near Beerus. Also, as Vegeta showed in his fight with Beerus, Mastered Super Saiyan Blue is a sizable power-up over Super Saiyan Blue in its own right.

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#29312: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:20:05 AM

Well, Blue Vegetto was stronger than Beerus in the manga, so that's not an issue. Though his strength still seems lowballed, as was pretty much inevitable if he returned.

I think it's better off just coming up with an in-universe reason Goku and Vegeta can't fuse (say that the previous defusion has rendered potara inert for them) because Vegetto is such a ridiculous increase in the Boo arc you could never fit him in any sort of power-scaling going forward.

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#29313: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:21:37 AM

[up]Wasn't the in-universe reason that they are both a pair of dickheads that refuse to do so unless given literally no other option, including their own death?

edited 10th Jan '18 4:21:56 AM by Kayeka

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#29314: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:23:00 AM

It isn't Vegetto the one who does that, it is the narrative. And, in any case, Godku may had been 6 to Beerus' 10 in 2013, but we don't even know the nature of the scale. Hell, a logarythmic scale with those values would mean Beerus is 10000 times stronger than Godku.

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#29315: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:26:28 AM

In the original manga/anime, they break the potara because of their pride but ALSO because they seriously underestimate Kid Buu. Before that, Goku refused to fight Super Buu unfused on the grounds that they'll die.

And then while fighting Kid, Goku admits that he underestimated him and wished they had just used potara. In the beginning of BOG, Goku muses on using potara but dismisses it because he thinks that won't even be enough for Beerus, so he needs to figure out what Super Saiyan God is instead.

Super making them more reluctant to fuse doesn't even work because they ultimately DO fuse against Zamasu. It's incredibly lazy to be like 'it makes sense they don't fuse, they never ever ever will again despite previous characterization' but then decide you want Vegetto for fanservice and go 'uhhhh and then Vegeta and Goku decide to fuse but THIS time they really will never ever do it again'.

[up] Occam's razor, there is no way Toriyama is using a logarithmic scale. And the 6 / 10 comparison fits with Godku forcing Beerus to use 70% of his power (so a 7 to Goku's 6, maintaining a decent advantage on him in the fight).

edited 10th Jan '18 4:28:38 AM by Saiga

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#29316: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:18:37 AM

Even in the manga, the 6/10/15 scale can't hold up. Super Saiyan Blue is significantly stronger than Super Saiyan God, Mastered Super Saiyan Blue is significantly stronger than Super Saiyan Blue, and serious Beerus one-shot MSSB Vegeta. The 6/10/15 scale works great as a point of reference for Battle of Gods the movie and nothing past that point.

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#29317: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:19:37 AM

I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise. Just that it would be nice if the materials post BOG (and RF) had been written to follow the 6/10/15 scale.

I definitely would have preferred it to Beerus' vague 'vastly better than you' power we got for the first 100 odd episodes of Super.

edited 10th Jan '18 5:20:12 AM by Saiga

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#29319: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:52:45 AM

Who's gonna stop him from just taking the spaceship if he wants it? He's the 1B most powerful being on Earth and the 3B most powerful being in the universe.

... Bulma. Because how many other people on Earth have FTL spaceships?

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#29320: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:16:12 AM

Super nerfed Vegetto significantly. Potara Fusion is revealed to only be permanent when performed between two Kaioshin. Any other type of Potara Fusion is temporary like the Fusion Dance, lasting only an hour. Furthermore, as was the case with Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, Blue Vegetto is too powerful and burns through all of his Fusion time early, with the implication being that the stronger Goku and Vegeta get, the less they'll be able to use Vegetto.

Edit: Regarding Vegeta just stealing the spaceship, the premise was that Bulma was mad at Vegeta and promptly disallowing him access to the Gravity Chamber. The Gravity Chamber is in the spaceship.

edited 10th Jan '18 7:19:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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#29321: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:16:00 AM

Potara Fusion is revealed to only be permanent when performed between two Kaioshin.

Then Old Kai makes no sense.

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#29322: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:26:46 AM

When a Kai is involved in the Fusion...

Not just between two...

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#29323: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:39:33 AM

It's not just the anime either.

Both the time limit and the power issue exist for the manga as well, essentially making Potara fusion functionally identical to non Potara fusion.

Even though there was a far better way to undo it.

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#29324: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:07:57 PM

Okay, is Potara still more powerful by default? Is the only difference between the two the default strength and that it's easier to enter and exit than the Fusion Dance, but doesn't come with as cool an outfit?

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#29325: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:33:19 PM

"Mastered Super Saiyan God super sayian"

I really start hating how overcomplicated this transformation have become.

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