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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29151: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:06:47 PM

And you know, the kidnapping and being a child soldier and all.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#29152: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:07:50 PM

Well, she pushed for him to have an education which seems to be working out for him.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#29153: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:09:53 PM

Yeah, who needs books and a home and food and safety? Not Piccolo! And not.... well... Piccolo's the only character shown surviving with none of those things.

Yeah, I'm done discussing this subject with this thread.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#29154: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:11:24 PM

Gohand turned out okay because of the levity between the terrible times...

When in all truths, the bad times never lasted too long, Radish was just one day, outside of Piccoro's year of training the Saiya-jin stuff was one day, the Namek stuff was 6-7 whole days, the Androids and Cell were just over a week, and Boo was just one day (probably two at most).

Honestly not much really happens when you think about it...

edited 6th Jan '18 5:14:35 PM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29155: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:14:43 PM

[up][up] oh wow giving him the bare minimum as a parent

i was wrong, chichi is a saint

She pushed him too hard to have an education and really fucked up his priorities. Honestly, he wouldn't even need to have an education if he just wanted to milk the Tenkaichi Budokai.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:15:38 PM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#29156: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:23:42 PM

His priorities?

edited 6th Jan '18 5:25:17 PM by randomness4

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#29157: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:24:45 PM

Gohan enjoys being a scholar. Sure, she works him hard, but every parent expects their child to study hard.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29158: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:24:54 PM

How he let himself go in peace time even though he has the most potential to protect Earth.

[up] She literally expects him to prioritize his study over saving the world.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:25:43 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29159: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:25:53 PM

[up] I will never not give Gohan grief for wasting his potential.

No reason why he couldn't work out on the side.

Also bringing back their murdered friends though it's not like Gohan needed to go...... till Frieza showed up.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:27:04 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29160: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:27:54 PM

Chi-chi didn't just want Gohan to have a good life, she wanted him to have a good life the way she chose. That he actually ended up wanting to be a scholar for himself is more a stroke of good luck than anything about her parenting.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#29161: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:28:01 PM

I mean, if we say " [X] character prioritises [Y] above the safety of the world"... that's basically 2/3rds of the cast at least. For Chi-Chi, Y is the safety of her son, as opposed to pride or wanting a good fight... more to the point, you could argue it's stupid but I don't think you can argue that not wanting your child to be the one who fights nightmarish abominations means you're a bad parent.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#29162: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:28:04 PM

That would ultimately be training for the sake of training...

Which everyone just agreed with Kakarrot's mentality at the end of the Cell Saga...

Gohand saw no reason to keep training...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29163: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:28:49 PM

[up][up][up] Ergo kidnapping Pan.

She wants to tell everyone what to do.

[up] No it would be staying shape. That is the reason.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:29:45 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29164: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:29:58 PM

[up][up][up] No, her priority is not the safety of her son. Because her son would be safer if he was capable of defending himself against world ending threats. Also, world ending threats.

Her priority is the success of her son, safety of the world be damned. At least Goku's fucked up priorities still allow him to understand that people can't just be allowed to destroy Earth.

Also yeah [up][up][up][up] this. Chi-chi decided he'd be a scholar at age four. It's very fortunate he still wanted to be that as an adult.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:31:32 PM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#29165: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:30:59 PM

[up] Like, I said, it isn't logical but it is the reaction the vast majority of good parents would have.

Also, Goku values someone else having a fair fight above the safety of the world... at least Chi-Chi is being emotional and stupid over something that actually matters.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:32:21 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29166: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:32:13 PM

No, it isn't. A good parent would ideally have a functional brain and see there is literally only one answer that makes sense: if the earth is destroyed your son dies anyway.

Remember, Chi-Chi specifically SAID it's about Gohan's studies, not the safety of the Earth. Yes, she has expressed her concerns about his safety, but she's also made it clear his study is more important than THAT.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:33:10 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29167: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:38:48 PM

Yeah that's the thing, people look at Chi-chi not wanting Gohan to fight and project reasoning onto her that is not actually her own.

Chi-chi is not written as caring about Gohan's safety above all else. She is written as caring about his studies and career prospects above all else, which happens to include him still being alive.

And, yeah, caring about Gohan's future obviously isn't bad, but it can wait when it's waited against the world existing and studies and career actually having a place to matter. Plus, a lot of it's not even about Gohan himself, just her views on what a family should be and what a child of hers should do.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:42:56 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#29168: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:39:59 PM

Indeed Chi-Chi is supposed to be a classical tiger mom right?

edited 6th Jan '18 5:40:54 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29169: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:40:44 PM

Also, Goku values someone else having a fair fight above the safety of the world... at least Chi-Chi is being emotional and stupid over something that actually matters.

No, she isn't. She's being emotional and stupid over academic prospects, which Gohan wouldn't even need if it really came down to it.

And Goku may value a fair fight above the safety of the world, but he still values the safety of the world highly enough to work toward maintaining it and even prioritizing it if shit really hits the fan. Chi-Chi doesn't give any fucks about world safety.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#29170: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:47:52 PM

[up][up] Its the Japanese stereotype for moms taken to the same extreme as Goku aloofness. The point is seemingly that both sides are bad, however Gohan turning out alright really defeats that point.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#29171: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:52:28 PM

[up][up]Once Tournaments started happening again...he could abuse those, but probably not for long.

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#29172: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:57:59 PM

The only way I can rationalize Chi Chi's behavior is that she expects Goku to do the saving the world thing. From her perspective, it would be the capable martial artists trying to push their responsibilities on Gohan, who should be studying. It's no different from expecting Goku to get a job despite having Mr.Satan's money, it's what's proper in her view.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#29173: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:59:15 PM

She never stops him from training, unless it involved the son...

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#29174: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:09:03 PM

Yakuzu: I don't have a negative opinion of Chichi because of the anime. I barely remember it.

Also, people are assuming Chichi loves Goku. I'm not sure why. Is there any evidence for that?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#29175: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:23:31 PM

Chichi was introduced as a child whose first reaction was throwing a blade at anybody. She is brash and unreasonable, and lacks common sense and hindsight. She also lacks malice of any kind, but her priorities and awareness of the current situation have always been skewed.

Yep, just like Goku.


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