I really hope not because that's never how Dragon Ball has ever worked.
I'll accept Goku and Vegeta working together and maybe with Gohan but nothing more.
edited 14th Oct '17 4:36:51 PM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!What, not only can nobody else contribute to big fights but the Saiyans, but they shouldn't even try?
edited 14th Oct '17 4:45:00 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!A group effort brought down Vegeta.
Also, Majin Buu.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Pure Boo was only brought down by a group effort because Vegeta insisted on it. Once Earth was brought back and everyone was revived, Gotenks or Gohan could have easily curbed stomped Boo with no effort.
Ginyu is technically an example but also not really. Multiple people were only needed because of the Body Change, not because of Ginyu's raw power. It's also worth noting that Vegeta did most of the work in that fight after Ginyu and Goku switched bodies.
While Vegeta is an example, the others were only able to contribute after Vegeta had lost a majority of his ki fighting Goku and, even then, most of the work was done by Goku.
Raditz is the only straightforward example of what's being asked for here. It's the only time in the entire series where two fighters who are weaker than their opponent team up to defeat someone more powerful (and, even then, it was only possible because Piccolo had an attack that had a higher battle power than Raditz). Even in the case of Vegeta, most of the damage was done by Goku when he had a higher battle power than Vegeta thanks to the Kaiouken.
This is how Dragon Ball has always worked. The only way you can defeat your enemy is by being stronger than them or having an attack that's stronger than them. You could throw the entirety of Universe 7— Hell, the entirety of all the universes in the ToP at Jiren and, so long as neither of those conditions are met, Jiren would win.
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Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Masako's theory in one of his Jiren videos IIRC was that Jiren has a unique ability that allows him to simply make himself as strong as he needs to be to beat an opponent. One of the things he pointed to as evidence was that none of his training we've seen has been physical. It's all been meditation. So his conclusion was that the strategy to beat him is if one really strong person can't match him, maybe you need a bunch of warriors to overwhelm him.
edited 14th Oct '17 5:54:22 PM by xanderiskander
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I mean, you're the one who's insisting that there can be no variation here. I fail to see how mixing things up for this one fight would suddenly mean that it's no longer Dragon Ball.
edited 14th Oct '17 6:05:16 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest
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I wouldn't say that. In the Tournament of Power arc we've seen a lot of eliminations that were accomplished by two or more teammates working together (Jium, Shosa, The Preecho, the Trio de Dangers, and nearly half the Pride Troopers, to name a few).
I'm not counting Frieza because the fight was simply unwinnable up until Goku became a Super Saiyan. Even after he arrived, everything they did was futile. Teamwork didn't beat Frieza, it just kept Frieza entertained long enough for the eleventh hour Deus ex Machina to appear.
That said, it's simply untrue that Goku's Kaioken did the brunt of the damage to Vegeta. It pissed him off enough to transform into the Oozaru, but that's it.
- Vegeta losing the Oozaru was because of Yajirobe.
- Vegeta getting blasted down into a manageable state was by the Genki-Dama created by Goku, delivered by Krillin, and driven home by Gohan.
- Even then, Vegeta was still powerful enough to kill everyone but for Gohan's Oozaru state.
Goku may have been the strongest player on the field but it was absolutely a team effort.
And sure, you can say that Ultimate Gohan could have come and ganked Pure Buu but that's not what happened. Frieza could have come and ganked Vegeta too. Babidi could have shown up and mind-controlled Raditz before anyone got a crack at him. We aren't talking about whether or not more powerful fighters than the villain existed; we are talking about whether the show has ever depicted team efforts as being effective at neutralizing a villain.
And while there were other ways that the Buu fight could have happened, the way it did happen was by a team effort. That is how Dragon Ball did it, and thus you cannot say that Dragon Ball would do it any other way.
edited 14th Oct '17 8:06:00 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You know, having the fight be won by a team effort after so much time of fights being mostly won by one dude (though as Tobias pointed out, there have been exceptions) would...actually be something a lot of people wouldn't expect.
If Toriyama really wants to subvert our expectations as he's so hard wired to do, he should try that.
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I have to second this. Not wanting Super to be discussed because it's not related to DBZA is fine and valid, not wanting it discussed because you don't like it is not okay and not how discussion forums work.
So yeah, let's keep the Super discussion in this thread to when it's related to what Abridged is doing.
also tobias, you forgot that vegeta was hurt when gohan become a oozaru and star kicking the living shit of Vegetas ass.
"Pure Boo was only brought down by a group effort because Vegeta insisted on it. Once Earth was brought back and everyone was revived, Gotenks or Gohan could have easily curbed stomped Boo with no effort. "
Nonense, if I remenber right, vegeto notes that boo have waaaaay more power he display, fat boo is actually a downfrade of pure boo.
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Krillin and Roshi seemed to get results in the tournament more because of clever tactics than power levels. The rest who aren't Goku, and Vegeta seem to be doing well more because of teaming up against their opponents than straight up power also.
Masako in his videos seems to think that's the point, and that the saiyains will need to learn to work together with the rest of their team, and gang up on Jiren to actually beat him.