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#28301: Jul 12th 2017 at 11:55:57 AM

And then he got a happy ending.

Nappa and Raditz, on the other hand, are still in Hell with all the other assholes not named Vegeta.

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#28302: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:00:39 PM

What happy ending; the dude got sent to Heaven only because he'd probably like Hell, which means that it'd probably have been torture for him. Though considering all the retcons about the afterlife we've gotten at this point, he was probably actually sent to the same kind of Hell Frieza was sent to, since personal Hells seem to be a thing now, and has most likely passed on into his next life now.

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#28303: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:00:54 PM

Technically, it's only a happy ending because he would have liked going to hell.

Sending him to Heaven was the only way to punish, and he essentially went native.

But that's just my thoughts on the matter really.

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#28304: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:02:06 PM

He only went native in anime filler though, in the manga he's never seen or heard from again past that point.

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#28305: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:08:14 PM

Frieza's Hell isn't a retcon. We're never actually shown what Hell is like in the manga; just told that it's a temporary state in which a person's soul is purified of corruption before they're shuffled into the reincarnation cycle.

While it's not explicitly clear what the little dancing cherubs are doing to Frieza, purifying his corruption isn't a hard assumption to make.

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#28306: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:29:16 PM

Except he seems to be the only thing in that Hell beyond all the angels, it's implied he's actively stopping his own purification and as such is the only villain who has apparently not moved on yet, meaning Raditz and Nappa don't exist anymore along with Cell and Dabura, and both Frieza calling it Earth's Hell and a comment from King Yemma about him not having to deal with Frieza anymore if he gets taken care of outside of Earth, imply that there are actually multiple Hells, and King Yemma only has jurisdiction of those who die on Earth.

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#28307: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:36:57 PM

Although Freeza having his body in Hell probably is a retcon since someone had to give it to him and I have no idea who or why.

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#28308: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:41:39 PM

Frieza being the only visible person in the immediately vicinity of his tree, the only portion of Hell we see, does not indicate he's the only person in all of Hell.

Also, Frieza does not have his body in Hell. He's drawn in such a fashion to resemble himself for the same reason that Bulma, Chi-Chi, Videl, and Dabura's wispy clouds resemble their bodies in the anime filler they appear in: to be identifiable to the audience.

It is actually a plot point that Frieza's body was diced into pieces before being vaporized and thus, upon resurrection, he is restored as the diced pieces. Being vaporized is what killed him, so Shenron only heals that aspect while resurrecting him. The rest has to be handled by his minions, because unlike everyone who got to keep their body, nobody ever repaired Frieza's after he died.

edited 12th Jul '17 12:42:45 PM by TobiasDrake

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#28309: Jul 12th 2017 at 12:44:52 PM

Yeah, see, before, I would have agreed with you. Then Goku went to go get Freeza for the Tournament of Power and that episode blew that theory right out of the water. Freeza has his body.

Of course, that could have just been Toei bullshit since Toei has never cared about how anything in Dragon Ball works and they've been getting the Afterlife wrong from the very beginning. We'll have to see what the manga does.

edited 12th Jul '17 12:46:00 PM by Zelenal

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#28310: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:14:50 PM

He only went native in anime filler though, in the manga he's never seen or heard from again past that point

Ah, so the anime filler is superior.

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#28311: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:25:34 PM

That Dabura filler is about as canon as the humans beating up the Ginyu Force on King Kai's planet.

Also, it's been like 17 years since GT ended; do you honestly think this would be the same Toei team that worked on that or Z, or that anyone in that company is as fanatic when it comes to remembering every single detail like we are? Hell, even then Saiga is the only one here I'd put complete faith in, simply because the rest of us have misremembered something about this series at some point in the past.

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#28312: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:39:31 PM

Saying Nappa and Raditz got gyped is silly. They're unrepentant mass murderers. They don't deserve anything.

Neither did Vegeta, but the fact that he was able to turn around doesn't mean that chance had to be extended to anyone else.

[up][up][up] That is almost certainly a Toei thing, since the pre-tournament episodes are probably filler to give Toriyama more time to do his scripts. Some parts may have come from him, but overall they seem very similar to Super's other between-arc breather episodes.

edited 12th Jul '17 1:42:10 PM by Saiga

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#28313: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:49:07 PM

The tournament and pre tournament is kinda canon, err well as canon as filler gets. All the major characters were designed by Toriyama including the grand Kai and the 2 Kais we do not see in the manga and the tournament itself was his idea similar to the notes given to Super's staff.

The Grand Kai himself and his job is canon, mentioned by Piccolo since he thought the Supreme Kai was the Grand Kai till the Supreme Kai corrected him.

edited 12th Jul '17 1:52:08 PM by Memers

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#28314: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:53:41 PM

I'm talking about the Tournament of Power from Super, and the episodes leading up to it.

But Toriyama designed a lot of stuff for the anime, doesn't make it canon. He never used it in his own work.

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#28315: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:56:45 PM

Bah too many godly tournaments...

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#28316: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:59:50 PM

I've kind of lost all patience for the effort to keep what's really truly in continuity straight anymore. Especially with stuff like Kai keeping things one would expect to be cut, Super being Anime First, and Xenoverse kinda-but-not-really retconning Online, which itself was in a weird position ever since BOG happened. Keeping it all straight feels like more trouble than it's wort these days.

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#28317: Jul 12th 2017 at 2:11:56 PM

The manga and the parts that are consistent across Super's anime AND manga, plus a rough draft of Online's timeline and Xenoverse's timeline approach.

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#28318: Jul 12th 2017 at 2:42:40 PM

What filler did Kai keep? I haven't seen any of it, beyond the first few episodes and a couple episodes scattered here and there.

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#28319: Jul 12th 2017 at 2:45:55 PM

Quite a bit. Everything with Frog Ginyu and Gohan fighting Final Form Freeza spring to mind. There's more but it's not like I remember this stuff.

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#28320: Jul 12th 2017 at 3:01:17 PM

That and...Kai apparently keeps the scene of the villains watching the fight between Goku and Pure Buu in Hell, even though that's not actually possible.

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#28321: Jul 12th 2017 at 3:03:10 PM

I hate the fact that it cut the Great Saiyaman filler.

Partly because the Great Saiyaman filler actually changed the plot points from the manga, and in Kai Videl finding out Gohan's identity doesn't quite make sense.

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#28322: Jul 12th 2017 at 3:05:30 PM

I'm sitting here amazed Kai finished the Buu Saga this fast.

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#28323: Jul 12th 2017 at 3:17:19 PM

I think they'd recorded it back in 2013 or so and were just sitting on it until now.

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#28324: Jul 12th 2017 at 4:52:24 PM

Babidi in general was wasted. Especially his entourage. We could've had something interesting with ki vs magic, but instead the only thing that happened was the same old "I'm stronger so your powers are useless."

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#28325: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:05:57 PM

Majin Boo DOES use magic. And beat several people stronger than him.

Babidi's entourage was great for showing that the Sorting Algorithm of Evil can't keep up with the heroes' escalation.


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