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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#28201: Jul 7th 2017 at 4:43:31 PM

Wasn't there something about Goku later using the Dragon Balls to erase the general public's memory of the Buu Saga?

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#28202: Jul 7th 2017 at 4:44:26 PM

Yes. That's also because people would have remembered Babidi's broadcast from before they died, as well as hearing how other cities were destroyed.

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#28203: Jul 7th 2017 at 5:05:30 PM

There is also the fact that Buu was very much alive any would have caused a panic if people remembered he was the one that caused all that destruction.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#28204: Jul 7th 2017 at 6:14:37 PM

That doesn't make any sense. If that were the case, people would think Satan was a fraud and not a hero.

See, Cell is a fraud who terrorized the entire world with mirrors and parlor tricks, but Satan is a real hero who saw through his lies and beat him up.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28205: Jul 7th 2017 at 6:20:27 PM

I mean, how much do people remember of dying? Like, Krillin had to wake up in that capsule preservation thing Bulma made. As far as everyone else goes, all the people Cell drank would just pop back where he drank them. If their clothes hadn't blown away, maybe they'd be back in their clothes, or they'd just be naked.

Maybe they assume Cell just got them really high? Like, his tail has a stinger thingy. In theory it could be an injection.

Everyone on those islands he blew up would just drown and die again and nobody else would notice.

edited 7th Jul '17 6:22:39 PM by unnoun

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#28206: Jul 7th 2017 at 6:26:43 PM

[up] I want to see that happen when they wish those people back. That, and I want them to point out that they forgot about the people that Gero killed. Also, they never brought anyone Nappa killed, including that city he blew up and all those military guys. Everyone else gets brought back, but not them. Or King Kai.

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#28207: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:04:14 PM

I'll repeat my earlier assertion: the real answer is that Toriyama just doesn't put that much thought into how his world actually works.

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#28208: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:13:37 PM

What are you basing that off? The mechanics for resurrection are kept consistent throughout the series. People accepting Satan? It's done mostly for the humour, everyone acknowledges how stupid it is.

edit: I know it's late, but I remember someone asking how often TFS are actually wrong about DB stuff. Do Kirran and Grant count? Because I'm watching the Attack of the Saiyan's LP with them and Lani, and holy shit, 90% of what they say about the series is flat out wrong.

edited 7th Jul '17 7:19:20 PM by Saiga

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#28209: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:39:57 PM

Yeah. My anger over the latest episode stems, at least in part, from the fact that I watch TFS Gaming so I get to hear Lani, Grant, and Kirran get shit wrong all the damn time. For an in-show example, there's also them fucking up the number of wishes Shenron gave after Dende restored him.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28210: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:44:43 PM

It's not particularly surprising. They're fans like any other, and most fans of this series hold some pretty big misconceptions about it, either from bad dubs, or just general lack of knowledge.

Most people are fans, even die-hard fans, without actually going totally obsessive to make sure they know every little detail.

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#28211: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:50:01 PM

Kaio-sama actually does get brought up. Specifically, he brings himself up. In Super, to distract Goku from inquiring about Beerus, he flies off on a rant about how there's been revival after revival but does anyone ever think of poor Kaio-sama who Goku basically murdered? No!

It's funny 'cause he actually volunteered to stay dead, IIRC, so he could travel with Goku in the afterlife and train him more.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#28212: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:51:26 PM

For an in-show example, there's also them fucking up the number of wishes Shenron gave after Dende restored him.

That's such a minor detail that affects literally nothing that it's not worth pointing out. They've made much huger changes to the story on purpose.

Anyway, getting angry at people half remembering stuff while joking around playing games maybe speaks to taking things a bit too seriously.

edited 7th Jul '17 7:51:48 PM by Moth13

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#28213: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:52:36 PM

Who's getting angry? Both LSBK and I are pointing out examples to the question of what TFS get wrong.

edited 7th Jul '17 7:52:49 PM by Saiga

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#28214: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:53:26 PM

[up] Zelenal is. His/her words are "My anger stems from..."

Which implies the existence of anger.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28215: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:55:55 PM

Yeah, I don't necessarily blame them for it, and despite what some people do, I don't think they hold themselves up as some great pillars or authorities on the series. I actually get the opposite impression.

For my part, I've become much more knowledgeable about the inner workings of things being in this and the main thread. Even then, that's mostly in regards to the "Z" portion. A lot of later, but still pre "Z" stuff I still get taken by surprise with, simply because I've just never read the manga part or seen the anime version.

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#28216: Jul 7th 2017 at 7:57:16 PM

[up][up] Excuse you, I said "at least in part."

Also, the question asked was (paraphrasing) "What is something they got wrong?" and I gave an example. Turning around and saying that my example doesn't count for an arbitrary reason is bullshit.

edited 7th Jul '17 7:57:27 PM by Zelenal

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28217: Jul 7th 2017 at 9:25:01 PM

My understanding of that bit of information was that it was legitimately worded in a way that makes understanding what he meant difficult. Still, if you really want to find it out, it's out there, and while not a big deal it does make for plot holes later. Well, assuming they ever do Super.

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#28218: Jul 7th 2017 at 9:51:07 PM

What are you basing that off? The mechanics for resurrection are kept consistent throughout the series. People accepting Satan? It's done mostly for the humour, everyone acknowledges how stupid it is.

The mechanics are kept consistent, but Toriyama is pretty bad at showing what kind of impact casual resurrection would actually have on the world. Sure, the fact that people are so overwhelmingly gullible and willing to believe Mr. Satan is usually played for a joke, but I think it's a joke that honestly doesn't work considering just how far it stretches suspension of disbelief. This is a world where the moon was destroyed twice and has dealt with all manner of seemingly-supernatural threats even before Z started.

And frankly, given that Toriyama has admitted to literally forgetting that some of his own characters even exist, it's not too hard for me believe that he just isn't that great at thinking through the finer details of how his world works. And he doesn't really need to; while Dragon Ball has a lot of creative ideas in its worldbuilding, its true strength lies in its characters, artwork, and fights.

edited 7th Jul '17 9:51:45 PM by Zennistrad

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28219: Jul 7th 2017 at 10:10:04 PM

Well, that last part is actually an unconfirmed rumour.

And really, that's got nothing to do with how his world "works". Realistically, yes, I agree that the resurrections would majorly change things - but he has made it clear that the people of Earth acknowledge these resurrections but take it in stride. He has thought about it and come up with a conclusion you disagree with.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#28220: Jul 7th 2017 at 10:17:31 PM

I like to think that Goku regularly beats up seven year old boys who want to revive their dead mothers. Surely someone else wants to use the magic wish granting orbs.

edited 7th Jul '17 10:17:55 PM by Arha

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#28221: Jul 7th 2017 at 11:18:19 PM

Goku doesn't give a damn about the dragonballs unless he needs them to undo a Big Bad or if he feels sentimental about The 4 star.

There exists like 2 people who can reliably track the balls down, anyway.

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#28222: Jul 7th 2017 at 11:19:55 PM

He totally did forget about Taopaipai, though he was important so long ago that I can't really blame him.

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#28223: Jul 7th 2017 at 11:26:11 PM

That was a reference to an older interview with Oda, where he doesn't forget Tao Pai Pai but really downplays his importance:

Oda: It feels kind of weird to ask if you remember, but it seems as though you have forgotten a good amount of characters... (laugh) Anyway, you know how Ranfan took her clothes off, right? Her armpits during that scene were really drawn well. I thought that you were the first person to accurately draw someone's armpit that well. Back then, I always drew people's armpits. Those, and Taopaipai's hands.

Toriyama: Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers.

Oda: What!? Taopaipai is a HUGE major character!

Toriyama: The guy with the braid?

Oda: Yeah yeah. The assassin. The guy that throws a pillar into the sky and rides it himself.

Toriyama: Oh yeah, I did draw that didn't I.

And the most cited example (Lunch) is just an unfounded rumour, since he never claimed to have forgotten her.

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#28224: Jul 7th 2017 at 11:35:39 PM

To be fair, Taopaipai isn't that important in the grand scheme of things. His presence simply marks the beginning of Dragon Ball's tonal shift.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28225: Jul 7th 2017 at 11:37:05 PM

I wouldn't say that it even shifted there.

I totally view him as a minor character, and am surprised at the popularity he has.


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