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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28176: Jul 4th 2017 at 6:57:12 PM

Hence DBZA's Roshi "I've seen her poop Turtle, she knows what I am about."

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#28177: Jul 4th 2017 at 6:59:17 PM

Which is weird, since it felt like the filleriest filler. Same with Boss Rabbit.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28178: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:02:33 PM

Well yeah early DB is just canon filler before the real show starts

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#28179: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:09:55 PM

"Real"...

Yeah, sure...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28180: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:10:56 PM

[up][up]Tell me about it.

I just found out recently that Pilaf and company didn't even appear at all in the manga until the approximate time when the gang met them near the end of the first arc.

So before then, they was literally no sign of any reoccurring villain.

edited 4th Jul '17 7:11:15 PM by HandsomeRob

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#28181: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:12:59 PM

Their first appearance was the first indication of them being recurring villains.

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#28182: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:28:22 PM

They weren't really reoccuring villains originally.

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#28183: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:48:19 PM

First them in their castle, then they had the last Dragon Ball in their mechs, then they released Demon King Piccolo. They had a role in all of Dragon Ball's non-tournament arcs.

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#28184: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:50:07 PM

[up] They weren't in the Red Ribbon Army arc in the manga, IIRC. Only in Anime Filler.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28185: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:51:26 PM

They do kinda show up at the end of the Post RR stuff with Baba and all.

If you count that as part of the Red Ribbon Arc (though I could understand not counting that as part of RR) then they kinda do show up in it.

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#28186: Jul 4th 2017 at 7:53:00 PM

They did have their brief appearance at the end of Uranai Baba's tournament.

That and releasing Daimao are both so minor I don't consider them recurring villains in the same way they are in the anime.

It's similar to Tao or Freeza

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28187: Jul 4th 2017 at 8:00:55 PM

The Piccolo thing could be a case of Small Role, Big Impact.

They were barely relevant to the arc at all, but they are the reason the entire thing even happened in the first place.

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#28188: Jul 7th 2017 at 11:34:45 AM

So I've been listening to DBZA in my headphones while working and I realized something. You know what part of the reason people are so willing to believe Mr. Satan's version of the Cell Games might be? Nobody ever died.

I mean, yes, people died, but they were all brought back by Shenron. So nobody actually died.

Cell left desolate wastelands of what were once populous cities, slaughtered the army in filler, blew up a news station and a chunk of a city, etc. For a couple weeks, countless destruction was caused in his wake, all leading up to the announcement of a huge televised event where you can watch your hero take him on in the ring of honor.

And nobody died.

So, based on the circumstances, what would you believe: that some random person punched Cell so hard that millions of people spontaneously popped back to life, or that this was the biggest Kayfabe stunt in history?

edited 7th Jul '17 11:35:22 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28189: Jul 7th 2017 at 11:36:11 AM

...

The second one.

You should put this in the main thread too.

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#28190: Jul 7th 2017 at 1:00:09 PM

[up][up]That's actually a really fuckin' good point. It'd be incredibly hard to make a case that all of Cell's widespread destruction was real and not a show if all the people reported to have died to him just show up later, perfectly fine.

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#28191: Jul 7th 2017 at 3:11:21 PM

That doesn't make any sense. If that were the case, people would think Satan was a fraud and not a hero.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28192: Jul 7th 2017 at 3:32:25 PM

...but, people in dragon ball are really dumb.

Especially the Muggles. I mean, they fall for a lot of Satan's bullshit in the first place don't they?

They eat up his every word.

Admittedly, this might apply more to Abridged than the regular series, but I still think it could be a thing.

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#28193: Jul 7th 2017 at 3:39:34 PM

They never lost their memories of all the death that happened prior to the Cell Games, though.

Hercule's narrative is "Bug monster goes around killing unstopped for weeks. Then he announces tournament out of nowhere. Cameras record Mark Satan getting his ass whupped. Then some blonde hillbilly is momentarily shown fighting back. Then cameras stop. Then Cell and blonde hillbilly disappear, the death stops. And Mark Satan wants us to believe that he did it.

Or, if they lost their memories, then Hercule's beloved for saving us from the great danger of... a fighting tournament host that we saw him lose badly to.

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#28194: Jul 7th 2017 at 3:44:47 PM

I mean, you do have people having memories of getting killed, only for them to regain consciousness fully alive by the end of it all; how does one make sense out of any of this, especially since the world at large have no idea the Dragon Balls exist.

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#28195: Jul 7th 2017 at 3:47:24 PM

I would imagine they remember dying it is just a question of how much after death they remember and how much they might just think is a near death fever dream.

[up] That or the general population assumes they are a myth since a military force decided go on a hunt for them .

edited 7th Jul '17 3:50:20 PM by Darthwyn

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28196: Jul 7th 2017 at 4:23:17 PM

The sheer number of people who died, remember that, and their loved ones who would probably believe they're not part of kayfabe (or insane) means there has to be a really large number of people who believe Satan is genuine.

And nothing indicates that the others who support him think otherwise.

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#28197: Jul 7th 2017 at 4:35:11 PM

[up][up] Dragonball makes it clear you remember what happened in death when you're brought back to life (otherwise why do people train in death, ya know). And the fact that EVERYONE remembers meeting a giant man behind a desk who told them they are dead while little dudes in line were telling them to wait makes it one hell of a shared dream.

edited 7th Jul '17 4:35:50 PM by Ghilz

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28198: Jul 7th 2017 at 4:36:41 PM

[up]

And yet, they still just went back to their lives after being revived during the Buu saga.

People on the Dragonball Earth are really dumb?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#28199: Jul 7th 2017 at 4:37:49 PM

That or you're not fully conscious in the afterlife.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28200: Jul 7th 2017 at 4:41:59 PM

From Vegeta and Kuririn's Namek arc revivals, it doesn't appear that people remember the afterlife, unless they're granted a body. But they definitely remember dying.


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