And yeah, he was pretty consistent back in the day. That being said, now that he's trying to realistically allow characters like Krillin and Tenshihan to be important players, it really makes me wish that he'd (A) not made the Power Creep so high, and (B), just allowed them to learn Kaioken and work around the flaws.
That's a thing about a lot of forms: while I can understand them still having flaws that need to be overcome, it seems like that's not really a thing that's happened at all yet.
To say nothing of my belief that some of the flaws exists just to keep the heroes from actually winning (Potarra Fusion is essentially the same as Dance Fusion now— 'FUCKING USELESS—' for that very reason).
At least they supplied a reason why they couldn't just take some characters into the Room of time and Spirit and do Old Kai's unlocking ceremony (NICE GOING VEGETA! YOU JACKASS!), but it's still annoying.
One Strip! One Strip!He never really considered not being an asshole. He just stopped assuming he was supposed to be better than Goku.
He accepted the latter was better than him for the first time ever, and now he's more realistic about his chances.
Rather than I'm better than him, and the universe better stop telling otherwise, he's not like Ok. I'm second, but now I actually get what I'm up against, and can find a realistic way to catch up.
One Strip! One Strip!It's hardly the first time that's happened. Remember that time Vegeta swore he'd never fight again?
EDIT: Speaking of which, I'm totally expecting that to be the punchline to the Father-Son Kamehameha. I expect the Kamehameha itself to be a Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming with Gohan and Goku finally making peace, and Gohan accepting that he is valued and loved.
And then,
"BYYYYYYE SON!!!"
edited 29th Jun '17 7:32:57 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I expect that to happen abruptly.
Like, just a *pop* in the middle of Cell gloating. Everyone's all, "Shit, where's Goku?!" and then we cut to Kaio-sama who's just like, "GOKU, WHY?!" Boom.
edited 29th Jun '17 7:43:50 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I don't know what point you're trying to make. Vegeta's character hasn't regressed at all. At the end of the Boo Saga, he didn't give up trying to become stronger than Goku, he accepted the fact that Goku was stronger than him and gave up his obsession to become stronger than Goku. He'll still train and get stronger and becoming stronger than Goku would be great but it's no longer a driving force in his life. Giving up that obsession allowed him to move on and do other things. If Beerus had shown up at any time before the End of Z, he'd have never done the Bingo Dance or gotten angry when Beerus hit Bulma and probably would have fought Goku over becoming the Super Saiyan God and again over who gets to fight Freeza. He also never would have become basically a mentor to Cabba.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Vegeta has progressed, and Super has acknowledged that, but like everything else in Super it's inconsistent.
His ephinany was admitting that Goku was better than him, and his goal changed from proving he was better than Goku to actually becoming better than Goku. A much healthier rivalry that is focused on self improvement, much like Goku's own philosophy (one thing that gets overlooked often is that Goku reciprocates the rivalry - in the Cell arc he is adamant about not letting Vegeta remain stronger than him).
Super will have him act just as unhealthily toward his rivalry, though, likely because his behaviour is so iconic. So is his character arc, so they keep showing how he has changed while also having him act like his old self at other points.
Considering that Vegeta didn't start getting really pissy about the rivalry until the late Freeza/early Android arc, it would be easy to characterize him without that. But that's not how people remember him. Hell, he even wears his Android arc outfit instead of continuing the manga's progression of phasing out the Saiyan aspects of his uniform!
Edit: also, people totally exaggerate Toriyama's forgetfulness. For starters, he hadn't forgotten Lunch - he wrote her out, and continued to reference her outside of the mang a.
As for Super Saiyan 3, he mistook it for Super Saiyan 2 - there is another quote where he elaborates that hearing of Super Saiyan 2 made him think "the one with the long hair". Remembered the form, mistook it as being 2 (probably forgot what 2 was since it is the most subtle form change). And this is two decades after he finished the manga, just coming back into the series. Why would he give a fuck during the interim? He wanted to be done with Dragon Ball.
edited 29th Jun '17 8:59:39 PM by Saiga
Um, the only reason why he didn't wear his Saiyan armor at all during the Buu Saga is simply because the Tournament had rules against anything that could be considered body armor, that was it. Vegeta himself eventually says that the armor itself is considered Saiyan formal wear, since the Saiyans apparently wore a primitive version of it before they got added into Frieza's army and they improved on it.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
He wasn't wearing it before he even learned of he tournament. I don't know where you got that idea from but it's wrong.
One of the few things that bug me about Super's dub is that it plays Vegeta more like how he was written in Z (but more of a Comically Serious character than before), rather than playing him as the post-defrosted "noble Grumpy Bear" that the Japanese version went with (at least, usually goes with). Same with 18, actually, who is even colder and emotionless in English, a la how she was in stuff like Bio-Broly.
Makes me wonder what they do when they get to stuff like Bra's birth or that episode where 18 goes well out of her way to get a gift for Krillin.
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That is a rationalization of everything since G'day! Son Goku and his Mates Return put him back in the armour. It's there where they even come up with the formalwear explanation.
And that justification is only an in-universe one, when Vegeta's "humanization" of his outfits was a meta thing starting with the Freeza arc. By the epilogue he wears completely normal clothing.
Even GT stayed consistent with this.
I mean, he could still wear his Saiyan clothing for formal occasions, I wouldn't be surprised if that last battle mentioned between Goku and Vegeta in Dragon Ball Online had Vegeta wear his Saiyan armor to commemorate his and Goku's final battle.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Agreed. Old Vegeta would have never encouraged Cabba to surpass him. He probably would've called him a disgrace to his race or something.
edited 29th Jun '17 11:49:56 PM by Hobgoblin
Piccolo, 18 and a few others haven't regressed but yeah most of the cast has to varying degrees.
I think it's more Flanderization with them attempting to handle the largest cast the series has ever had.

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I mean, SS4 GT Goku is probably stronger than SSG BoG Goku, if only due to how power Goku's base would have gotten between the two time points; everything past Resurrection F however mucks everything up.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!