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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#28051: Jun 29th 2017 at 8:24:13 AM

We have absolutely no idea how Gero powered up Lapis and Lazuli. All we know is that it was done biomechanically which could mean any one of a billion things.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28052: Jun 29th 2017 at 10:26:06 AM

She was cybernetically enhanced down to the cellular level. Krillin's power boost from Guru was similar. Marron was created from a cyborg-ovum and a potential-unlocked-sperm. tongue

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#28053: Jun 29th 2017 at 11:04:15 AM

It's not a matter of genes or robot parts, it's all about Ki. Krillin had a lot of Ki when Marron was conceived, so if Marron is unnaturally strong that would be why.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#28054: Jun 29th 2017 at 11:24:00 AM

I didn't meant that Marron would be stronger than everyone, but what kind of character she might narratively end up being. More and more I'm starting to wonder if next-gen adventures with Marron, Trunks, Goten and a young Pan are really going to be a thing.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28055: Jun 29th 2017 at 1:50:34 PM

Authors can do whatever they want, which includes shitty writing that can be criticized.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#28056: Jun 29th 2017 at 1:57:05 PM

Authors can't do whatever they want...they have to do whatever the vocal minority wants.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28057: Jun 29th 2017 at 2:00:13 PM

We may as well not bother having opinions or discussings about story-telling.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#28058: Jun 29th 2017 at 2:11:38 PM

You could...still.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28059: Jun 29th 2017 at 2:28:43 PM

Toriyama has shown that he does as he pleases.

I do wish he'd used what he'd already established in the series for dishing out power-ups however.

I'm curious as to how Toyotarou will handle the characters getting stronger for the tournament however.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#28060: Jun 29th 2017 at 3:00:26 PM

[up] He usually does. Dragon Ball is a very consistent series when you look at just the manga and not Toei's bullshit. We have absolutely no idea what part of this is Toriyama's doing and what's Toei's until the manga gets there.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#28061: Jun 29th 2017 at 3:04:30 PM

Well the humans getting involved at all is all Toriyama, same with Frieza coming back again, just like how Goku forgetting the Mafuba seal, never kissing Chichi, and Vegito coming back with a time limit were all Toriyama; he's also probably the one who retconned it so there's only one Supreme Kai per universe now, making Shin's entire backstory into something that makes no sense under the new cosmology.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#28062: Jun 29th 2017 at 3:11:50 PM

Or there is only 1 Grand Supreme Kai and that is who we have been seeing in the other universes, ours just got a Field Promotion. Which could explain why U7 is lagging behind.

edited 29th Jun '17 3:12:38 PM by Memers

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#28063: Jun 29th 2017 at 3:19:11 PM

Except we've only ever seen one Supreme Kai and their attendant, none of them are referred to as Grand Supreme Kai, and the only other Shinjin we've seen is Zamasu, who was specifically stated to be a former Kai of great power who was being trained to succeed the current Supreme Kai Gowasu.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28064: Jun 29th 2017 at 3:55:17 PM

I'm baffled as to the only one Kai retcon, considering it totally buggers Shin's backstory.

Perhaps, after what Buu did, they changed things in other universes to match, but the most logical (HA!) explanation is that the guy they called Dai Kaioshin was just the Kaioshin of his universe, and the other were apprentices like Zamasu who all had the potential to succeed him, until Pure Buu (I like Kid Buu better) came along and gave our boy Shin an accidental Klingon Promotion.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#28065: Jun 29th 2017 at 4:44:26 PM

Speaking of Krillin getting his powers unlocked, what does that mean for Gohan? Because he got that twice. How does that even work?

Zennistrad from The Multiverse Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#28066: Jun 29th 2017 at 4:52:23 PM

I don't think that Toriyama has really put much thought into how many of the things in Dragon Ball work, to be honest.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#28067: Jun 29th 2017 at 4:58:43 PM

I figure that certain abilities can draw out some portion of a person's latent ability. It's just that Guru was only able to draw out so much. Then, old Kai was able to draw more of that well.

And then Super reverted that.

It's kind of funny to remember that Gohan was treated as super strong as recently as when Xenoverse 1 came out.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28068: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:00:28 PM

[up][up]Maybe not now but things were a lot more consistent than people actually give credit for.

And honestly, the "unlocking" potential more than once doesn't seem particularly unreasonable to me. The potential of a someone as a child, and the same person as an adult is going to be different.

edited 29th Jun '17 5:01:09 PM by LSBK

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#28069: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:05:23 PM

[up][up] I mean, unused dialogue did suggest that Demigra was intimidated by Ultimate Gohan's power, which at least implies he was Super Buu-level until he consumed Tokitoki.

edited 29th Jun '17 5:05:37 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#28070: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:14:37 PM

Isn't this the guy who outright admitted he forgot Launch existed? And forgot SSJ3 existed

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28072: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:20:43 PM

To be fair, several of those aren't even by Toriyama, so him forgetting those is fine.

Besides, it's called taking notes. Most writers do this :-P

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#28073: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:23:18 PM

I mean, all of the animated ones besides False Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, Super Saiyan 4, and Super Saiyan Rage were all designed by Toriyama; yes, Toriyama actually designed Legendary Super Saiyan.

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Court Dragon
#28074: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:24:14 PM

One bit of Xenoverse dialogue that amuses me is Whis musing that SS 4 Goku would make a good Destroyer, if he accepted the offer.

Whis, don't try to start a power-level discussion between Super and GT, of all things.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#28075: Jun 29th 2017 at 5:25:14 PM

Yes, but counterpoint, he's also the one who decided to make his manga/show based entirely around transformation/forms and power up. So keeping track of them sort of comes with the territory. And he's got no one to blame but himself for his failure to do so. So asking that author to be consistent with his power ups seems to really not grasp the man.

edited 29th Jun '17 5:25:37 PM by Ghilz


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