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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#27901: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:37:59 PM

On the subject of trainwrecking Gohan, imo he didn't fully trainwreck till Super era stuff and they made him a complete joke.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27902: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:45:55 PM

He's able to match SSB Goku now in his Ultimate Gohan state though, even forced him to use the SSB Kaio-ken.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#27903: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:03:18 PM

It was a gag how weak Gohan was for something like 80 episodes and really just constantly shit on his character.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#27904: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:07:45 PM

Once again: A lot of Super has been like if someone thought DBZA was canon.

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27905: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:22:42 PM

Super did this weird Aesop Amnesia thing where they set up the "Gohan realizes he must restart his training to keep up/protect his family/feel complete, and so epically takes up martial arts again" three distinct times before (evidently) making it stick permanently this time. So his arc just... didn't go anywhere, and instead he hits the "gets defeated because he's gone soft" stage multiple times.

In general, Super has a problem with trying to have their cake and eat it too with Status Quo that they're only now seeming to take baby steps to really overcome. In Gohan's case specifically, it was "let's not really change him, but pull that plot again because it's dramatic!" It hit its worst point where he gets left out of the Zamasu arc literally because he wasn't paying attention (I'm actually down with him not being in the arc and his role staying almost the same as it was for several reasons, but it felt like they couldn't think of a good justification/excuse for it).

I did love the Saiyaman stuff they did in the middle, though, even if it was almost certainly all on Toei's end.

edited 25th Jun '17 11:26:03 PM by KnownUnknown

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#27906: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:44:57 PM

I mean, he's spent the entire time since Frieza happened training with Piccolo to regain his power, while at the same time juggling his job which is why he didn't get involved in the Universe 6 Saga, though Goku completely understood his reasons in the anime and told him it was fine when he and Vegeta went to ask him to join. He didn't help with Zamasu because...he just was never around; the only time Trunks and Gohan even interacted was after Black showed up and blew up the first time machine, and before Trunks got his groove back and he, Vegeta, and Goku went to the future the first time. The entire point of that interaction was to help Trunks get out of his funk a little by seeing how well Gohan was doing for himself compared to his counterpart (and I think possibly how he had a hand in making this possible), and when Gohan did find out about this mess during the meeting to discuss how to get past Zamasu' immortality, he's completely ashamed of himself for not learning of this sooner.

Really, Gohan was at his lowest during the Resurrection F Saga, and has been slowly climbing his way back up since then.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#27907: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:56:00 PM

Wow really? I thought the 'let's talk about Gohan instead!' thing was a joke.

Take it to the DBZ thread if you want to argue about the way canon treats Gohan. I left that thread to avoid this crap.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#27908: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:19:46 AM

Yes, let's talk about how Abridged Goku beats his wife.

Or how he wants strangers to beat his son, while thinking of him.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#27909: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:30:22 AM

I'm not sure he wants the 2nd part of the latter thing...

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#27910: Jun 26th 2017 at 2:00:56 AM

[up][up]pound his son while thinking of him.

Also, am I the only who finds Mr. Satan's lines kind of hard to listen to? Half of the time I can't figure out what he's supposed to be saying.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#27911: Jun 26th 2017 at 7:15:07 AM

[up][up][up][up] I know right, talking about Dragon Ball in a Dragon Ball thread. Perish the thought :)

We could just talk about how much of a shitty father Goku is again.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#27912: Jun 26th 2017 at 7:21:59 AM

We could just talk about how much of a shitty father Goku is again.

Please don't.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27913: Jun 26th 2017 at 7:27:38 AM

Kaioken Wolf Fang Fist.

Y'all know you want it. Y'all know you need it.

And y'all probably want to see it fail so you can laugh at him some more, but still, it'd be nice.

One Strip! One Strip!
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#27914: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:12:38 AM

I've been considering adding it in to my film adaptation for a while now. I'm going back and forth on whether or not I should give Kaio-Ken to all the Human characters post-Namek.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#27915: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:13:16 AM

Super Human Blue Kaioken Wolf Fang Fist. tongue

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#27916: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:21:58 AM

I've been considering adding it in to my film adaptation for a while now.

Your what now?

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
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#27917: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:41:17 AM

I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. I'm an aspiring film-maker (currently going to SCC) and one of my hopeful future projects is a live-action adaptation franchise of Dragon Ball.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#27918: Jun 26th 2017 at 9:12:21 AM

Oh, nice! Best of luck. Hopefully it'll turn out way better than... well... that other one. <_<

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#27919: Jun 26th 2017 at 9:21:33 AM

Hopefully.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#27920: Jun 26th 2017 at 10:00:47 AM

So any thoughts on how gay Cell is for Goku?

I'm more surprised that Goku seems to be genuinely interested in reciprocating that.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27921: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:05:10 AM

Hey, Cell's handsome. And Goku ain't afraid to recognize that.

He won't cheat, but he's not not tempted.

edited 26th Jun '17 11:13:50 AM by Enlong

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#27922: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:06:13 AM

It makes sense. Cell is basically the closest thing to evil Goku aside from Turles.

And Ginyu.

And Black.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#27923: Jun 26th 2017 at 11:23:33 AM

Cell is so frustrated with the result. No final bout with Goku?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#27924: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:25:23 PM

[up] Ok now I want a TFS Cell Games where Cell demands a Dragon Ball GT Final Bout game with Goku.

edited 26th Jun '17 12:26:21 PM by Memers

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#27925: Jun 26th 2017 at 12:29:12 PM

I know Alternate Reality DBZ did the 'Goku and Cell are gay' joke earlier, and they took it WAY further. To the point of Goku deciding to stay dead because he wanted to stay with Cell in the afterlife.


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