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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27776: Jun 24th 2017 at 8:56:07 PM

I know it probably wouldn't happen, but it's a completely reasonable idea in universe - more reasonable than a lot of what we've been seeing recently.

This I completely agree with. I was actually thinking the same thing about the others never learning Kaioken.

Sure, it's pretty much useless since it'd never let them hang with the fighters that come later, but when you think about it, that's still isn't a reason to not try and learn it. Since Goku can teleport them anywhere there really wasn't a reason for them to not try at least, beyond the fact that it wasn't part of the plot.

As for Goku and his status as a shitty dad...no. Not touching that shit. I'm just done with it, both from a serious standpoint, and a joking one.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27777: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:01:40 PM

Goku being able to say he's there with the same tone and level of happiness as Gohan is able to say he loves him is kinda funny, but not quite. Mean. To Gohan. Like, the fact that Goku doesn't say he loves Gohan back. Honestly doesn't read as deliberately hurtful or neglectful or apathetic.

It's emotionally incompetent, and demonstrates Goku's an idiot.

Like, it might be. A bit patronizing? I guess? But aside from that.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#27778: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:04:41 PM

Jokes makes characterization inconsistent...

It seems to be a mostly Namek thing...and 3 of the movies where it's amped up...

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27779: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:07:19 PM

I mean. The movies are movies.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#27780: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:11:06 PM

That's a bad thing...

Movies stink...

But, characterization is the same...relative to the saga...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27781: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:14:29 PM

Even though the movies are explicitly their own thing, the fact that they continue to choose to make Goku a shitty father in them is still pretty telling.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27782: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:14:59 PM

[up][up]No it isn't.

[up] That's fair.

edited 24th Jun '17 9:15:41 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27783: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:15:54 PM

I don't really see what the movies being the movies has to do with anything. The characters are still the same characters, they're just not contained within the main storyline.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#27784: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:23:30 PM

Honestly I don't have an issue with TFS and jokes I disagree with. It affects how funny I find their show but precious little else. My main issue on the matter is how much their thoughts and jokes permeate into actual Dragon Ball discussion but that's on the fans.

edited 24th Jun '17 9:27:08 PM by LordVatek

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27785: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:35:51 PM

Whoops, meant to post this in the main Dragon Ball thread.

edited 24th Jun '17 10:14:35 PM by KnownUnknown

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#27786: Jun 24th 2017 at 9:53:22 PM

The movies are explicitely non-canon (I don't remember which one, but there's a scene of Vegeta saying "This is so non-canon it hurts"). I mean, just try figuring out where in the series timeline World's Strongest is supposed to be set; it's like trying to piece together what state the Simpsons live in.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#27787: Jun 24th 2017 at 10:02:15 PM

[up][up]Different universes? Doesn't seem relevant yet...

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#27788: Jun 24th 2017 at 10:04:57 PM

[up][up][up]Wrong thread.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27789: Jun 24th 2017 at 10:15:14 PM

[up][up] Meant to post it in the Dragon Ball thread, but took a wrong turn on Snake Way.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#27790: Jun 24th 2017 at 10:45:41 PM

So I apologized to Kaiser and he was actually super cool about it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#27791: Jun 25th 2017 at 8:10:33 AM

[up]

Well that's good to hear.

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#27792: Jun 25th 2017 at 8:30:20 AM

I think the first Cooler movie is Goku at his shittiest, dad-wise. He definitely crosses the line from naively ignorant to outright malicious towards his son with lines like, "If I ever have a son," or "Step away from my food, my best friend, my two emergency foods, and my son. In that order."

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#27793: Jun 25th 2017 at 8:51:48 AM

Hey man that's just not being fair. At least he didn't consider Gohan to also be emergency food.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#27794: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:38:03 AM

I mean, I can imagine Saiyan dads that would do that, yeah.

By which I mean all Saiyan dads except Bardock and Vegeta.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#27795: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:39:29 AM

He also didn't hesitate to shield Gohan from an attack...even if that was because it was an actual scene in the movie.

I...just don't want to talk about this Goku is a bad father thing anymore. I feel like it's gonna become a black hole topic...

Huh. Black hole topic? Do We Have That One?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27796: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:41:28 AM

I mean, I get that, but considering how important it is to many people (for differing reasons), and how often they reference it (jokingly or seriously) it's going to come up here.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#27797: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:59:52 AM

[up][up]I think we kinda have a trope for that: Flame War. Kinda.

We just happen to be a bit more reasonable about it. With a side of humor.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#27798: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:09:27 AM

"I can't agree with that defensive reddit post saying he's never been a bad father rather than an incompetent one"

The issue is that that can border into being a bad father, sure Goku is not abusive or anything like that but like other said he dosent really act much diferent than everyone else which at times can be really bad.

Also because of thise 16 dies and that is unforgivable, everyone must feel shame about that, SHAME!

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#27799: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:58:38 AM

Basically. People act like because Goku doesn't dot over Gohan the way Piccolo does, he must be a shitty and the absolute worst dad ever.

At this point though, I don't care anymore. I'm just gonna call it for what I see it from here on out.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27800: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:00:46 AM

Piccolo doesn't even dote on Gohan though...

edited 25th Jun '17 12:45:14 PM by LSBK


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